GS/MS - Top Group vs "Bottom" Group?
At the analyst level, what are the differences between getting placed into a top group vs a "bottom" group atGS/MS?
In terms of comp, exit opps, experience, etc. Are there some places that would only recruit at a top group and not the others, for example?
Also heard that there aren't really "bottom" groups at these 2
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I think group rankings within "top" banks is kind of ridiculous. The comp is the exact same for analysts. Deal flow is not related to how "good" the group is (RE might have great deal flow, but people consider it "bottom"). Exits are basically the same. I think people who are hell bent onMFPEtend to go to "top" groups, rather than "top" groups sending people toMFs. Being in a top group may put you in a marginally better spot, but the difference can easily be overcome by person in "worse" group putting in more effort. I worked at one of the two mentioned banks and can guarantee you that at least someone from every group went to aMFPEshop and the good majority of people who wanted to go toPEended up at UMM firms, regardless of their group.
100% agree. I also worked at one of the two firms mentioned and there is way too much emphasis placed on groups atWSO. Deal flow does not matter for on-cycle recruiting given timing of processes and the average analyst inGSTMT/ MS M&A is not better than an analyst inGSIND, MSFIG, etc. The group placement process at a firm likeGSis very random and it's just luck of the draw (unless you have alumni connections). If you're at MS orGS, you will get interviews at mostMFPEfirms and at that point, it's on you to perform.
With that being said what if you're in a more "limiting" group at one of these firms ... P&U/NRG
Similarly with the "envy is the thief of joy" thread, I've found being in the top group of a company - any company - does more to your perceived joy than the company you work for. With some exceptions of course.
Would this also betrue atJPM?
If so, what are the weaker groups?
anyoneknow if Morgan Stanleyincludes Capital Markets in their placement process fortraditionalIBD? Wondering the risks there for ending up in a non-traditionalIBgroup.
Nope MS Has a completely separate capital markets division
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上衣:通常占主导地位的,自信,自信,性感
Bottoms: annoying, submissive, deserve to be disrespected
Based on every comment you make… You seem like a middle
I'm a top unless you went to a target school ;)
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Hot take but in my experience, even the "bottom" groups at MS/GStend to do better inMF/UMMPErecruiting than the "top"花旗集团/BAML/CSetc.
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