GS/MS - Top Group vs "Bottom" Group?

At the analyst level, what are the differences between getting placed into a top group vs a "bottom" group atGS/MS?

In terms of comp, exit opps, experience, etc. Are there some places that would only recruit at a top group and not the others, for example?

Also heard that there aren't really "bottom" groups at these 2

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  • Analyst 2inIB - Cov
Jun 26, 2021 - 7:21pm

I think group rankings within "top" banks is kind of ridiculous. The comp is the exact same for analysts. Deal flow is not related to how "good" the group is (RE might have great deal flow, but people consider it "bottom"). Exits are basically the same. I think people who are hell bent onMFPEtend to go to "top" groups, rather than "top" groups sending people toMFs. Being in a top group may put you in a marginally better spot, but the difference can easily be overcome by person in "worse" group putting in more effort. I worked at one of the two mentioned banks and can guarantee you that at least someone from every group went to aMFPEshop and the good majority of people who wanted to go toPEended up at UMM firms, regardless of their group.

  • ProspectinPE - LBOs
Jun 27, 2021 - 12:40am

100% agree. I also worked at one of the two firms mentioned and there is way too much emphasis placed on groups atWSO. Deal flow does not matter for on-cycle recruiting given timing of processes and the average analyst inGSTMT/ MS M&A is not better than an analyst inGSIND, MSFIG, etc. The group placement process at a firm likeGSis very random and it's just luck of the draw (unless you have alumni connections). If you're at MS orGS, you will get interviews at mostMFPEfirms and at that point, it's on you to perform.

Jun 26, 2021 - 8:50pm
odog808, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Similarly with the "envy is the thief of joy" thread, I've found being in the top group of a company - any company - does more to your perceived joy than the company you work for. With some exceptions of course.

Have compassion as well as ambition and you’ll go far in life
Jun 27, 2021 - 7:52pm
Steve_WillDoit646, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Nope MS Has a completely separate capital markets division

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Jun 29, 2021 - 12:49pm
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz, what's your opinion? Comment below:

上衣:通常占主导地位的,自信,自信,性感

Bottoms: annoying, submissive, deserve to be disrespected

  • PrincipalinPE - LBOs
Jun 29, 2021 - 6:41pm

Hot take but in my experience, even the "bottom" groups at MS/GStend to do better inMF/UMMPErecruiting than the "top"花旗集团/BAML/CSetc.

  • Analyst 1inS&T - Equities
Jun 30, 2021 - 9:38am

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