IB vs er
嘿,所以有很多关于如何IB比股票研究更享有声望,并且具有更好的退出OPP。但是我不明白为什么。
我的意思是,我了解IB您正在直接为银行创造收入,这就是为什么他们的奖金和薪水通常高于嗯。
但是,为什么它会更好地退出OPPS?退出OPPS主要对分析师和分析师很重要嗯比分析师在IB。在嗯you actually get to talk with the big names in companies and get a lot of face to face time with Hedge Funds, you become an expert in the industry. InIByou're more of an expert in Power Point, with little to no contact with clients.
那么,为什么银行比ER拥有更多的声望和更好的退出OPPS?
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The reason is deal exposure (investment banking, yes;股票研究, 不)。
通常 - 访问基于交易的Buyside Exit OPPS,并且偏爱运行交易/流程而不是涵盖名称。
The actual technical work is pretty similar otherwise and the other exits: CorpDev, IR, CorpFi,HFS,corpstrat,是etc are pretty similar.
我在对冲基金的同样问题上问医学博士,他说:“老实说,人们在做嗯对我们来说可能比银行家更好,但无论如何我们仍然招募银行家。就是这样。”
I recently met a very senior dealmaker who went from嗯至IBearlier in his career and he summed it up like this: "Research analysts these days are glorified fiancial journalists because while in previous years, regulations and Chinese wall were more lax, they could work with bankers closely and actually understand the numbers in the real context of the situation a company was in. Today, they can't or at least they have to pretend not to".
这绝对是如此坦率地听到。
GS嗯orD BIB((最初发布:2007年2月28日)
Will like to ultimately doIB, which is the wiser choice?
If you wantIB, 做IB。Why is this even a consideration?
GS有一个品牌名称,很难刷新。正在考虑将其淘汰GS嗯并转移到GSIBor move to MS/MLIB。
D B似乎并不重要IB。即使在IB, they are stronger inIPO/DCM/市场而不是M&A。
That is not a legitimate comparison to choose between. A more appropriate comparison would have been a specific group withinIBwithin the same company or the same group across two companies.
嗯inGS做not beatIB在D B。It's stillIB。在这种特殊情况下,忘记名字追逐。
我有一个朋友嗯last summer inGSand he now has a job inGSIB。He told me that it wasn't hard at all to switch divisions as long as you do a good job with your嗯限制。
您认为不可能从内部转移GS嗯至GSIB或搬到MSIB在the end of one year?
For clarification, mine is not a summer intern position. Its a full time offer.
夏天与全日制大不相同。D BIB最终会帮助您进入GSIB如果那是您的目标。至少这样,您将拥有高度可转让的技能。
你应该做GS嗯。I'd rather doGS资产管理比做D BIB。D BIB…HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
D Bmay be one of the weaker players but they are still a major bank. It's still an easier sell going fromIB->IBthan嗯->IB。And you won't take a discount.
any more thoughts?
Till now, its a tussle between brand name and directly transferable experience. I am hung up on brand name because i believe it could lead me to the CF department of an equally "branded" bank. Please wake me up if I have gotten the wrong idea.
我也担心D B在衍生品和IPO/市场而不是M&A, which is my main interest. How transferable are skills betweenIPO/市场和并购?
ok, allow me to wake you up.
这甚至不应该是一个问题。该线程完全毫无意义。您需要停止担心品牌名称。您显然想进行投资银行业务,那么为什么要拒绝投资万博app网页版银行业务?
正如一个人所说,如果这是夏季的位置,那会有所不同。但是因为这是全职的,所以从D BIB至GSIB这是您的目标。
就您的最后关注而言。我相当确定D B做M&A交易尽管在该领域可能并不“强大”。另外,仍然有很多估值IPOswhich will be transferrable toM&A。Plus at the end of the day as an analyst, banking is banking. I'm pretty sure the your pibbing and formatting skills will be transferrable as well.
Those are 2 different things!
这里的大多数人会告诉你IB因为这不是ibankingoasis而不是股本。
He said "will ultimately want to doIB。"
…然后祝你好运…
otherwise, look at the exit ops too...infact, im in sort of a similar condition...anyone care to enlighten?
你为什么不听取建议GS嗯?D B即使不是欧洲,几乎是一家精品店。
Let me tell you. If I were inGS(我不是),我在赛道上2岁,我知道你为什么在D BIB。You think I'm stupid or something? I will know that you couldn't get into a realIBlikeJPM,花旗,ML等...更不用说MS和GS。There's no way you can bullshit your way out of that.
相反,如果您进入GS嗯, at least you could say you were genuinely interested in嗯当时,你尽力而为嗯spot there was. Your story would flow along the lines of how you changed you mind and decided to get more involved in the execution of a deal. Not to mention嗯sometimes crosses the wall to assistIB。You could potentially be assisting theGSIB团队,这将为您提供面试的杠杆作用。另外,您将能够证明为什么突然改变了心(这是因为您获得了曝光并意识到这是您喜欢的东西),也可以帮助您建立联系。
我厌倦了打字...这是一个简单的问题,答案是如此明显!!!去D BIBif you think no one's going to realise you couldn't get into any otherIB。
Cafe_apple如果银行的排名反映了您的状况,那将是完全正确的。
但是,我们生活在一个有摩擦的世界中...在这个世界上,银行带着他们喜欢的人并适合文化。
i know people with tremendous experience, top school, top degrees but 'lost' because a graduate from a crappy school with crap gpa was chosen just because the bankers liked him more..
joinD BIBD而且,您会做得很好,不要与认为您是胡扯的人相处,银行的排名并不能反映您的表现。
CAFE_APPLE:我同意您的观点,但您所说的话嗯帮助IB…。。what about chinese walls? i'm always reminded at work that the invisible wall b/w嗯andIB不应该缩放吗?您是什么意思:“有时会越过墙壁以协助IB。You could potentially be assisting theGSIBteam"
how is this acceptable or legal under any circumstance? wouldnt the interviewer like to know?
我完全不同意cafe_apple。我不知道他的牛肉是什么D B,但是我没有与之合作的人挂在联赛桌和银行声望上。银行是银行业务,无论您在哪里做。D Bstill gets some decent deals, especially if you land in the right group. You can always lateral or pursue business school then try forGS/MS作为助理。
Very often,GS将雇用三年级的分析师横向,并了解他们很可能会晋升为同事。这些外侧来自JPM,瑞银,CS, and yes,D B- without discount.
After two years of doing嗯,您将没有必要的技能来成为合伙人或高级分析师GS。假设您可以接受面试(请记住,如果您在GS嗯because if you're decent, they will want to keep you in ER), they'll most likely make you start as a 1Y analyst. You're right cafe_apple, the answer is obvious.
为了加入GameTheory的帖子,其中一位同事GSthat interviewed me was aD B分析师主导促进了后期的促进。
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