Ivey HBA or LSE Undergrad
Which would be better forMBB/T2? Due a to a certain time and conflict related situations I can only apply to one of the two and I have been thinking, which one would be better as an international from India? I dont have much preference for the location because both Canada and the UK are amazing places and the US is amazing as well if I can get there
现在,set up is:-
Pros for Ivey HBA-
1) No. 1 program in Canada cannot be matched by any other maybe Queens is comparable but the edge is always towards Ivey, unlikeLSEwhich is always seen as second to Oxbridge inMBB
2) CanadianVisamight be a tad bit easier for internationals.
3) The post grad comp is not much lower than the US for a host of jobs, and is actually decemt
4) Heard its a competitive environment but kinda party school-ish as well and thats what I was kinda looking for.
5）案例研究方法具有惊人的实用性和高效性，我个人更喜欢它而不是纯粹的学者。
6) Much lower COL thanLSE
7) Really Really Career focussed curriculum.
Pros for LSE-
1) Opportunities in London are unmatched by London (the ontario one).
2) City life is bustling so there is something to do everyday.
3) Fees can be lowered with USS (undergraduate support scheme)
4) Visa might get easier comparitively after Brexit for non EU people
5) Even with less than half the comp asNYC, the overall opportunities for my career are amazing.
6) Much more known worldwide so if I had to come back to my homeland, getting a job wouldn't be the hardest with anLSEdegree
7) Shorter program overall so overall less fees charged.
Note: I am open to do anyPEor any other non-IB finance/咨询工作。同样还有F500的Corpfin，也存在许多其他数据科学职业，但优先事项将开始MBBas of now, I just cannot doIB100 h/weeks I'm sorry
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Both are great places, even if you're interested inPEas an undergrad. Something to consider would be that Ivey is a target for several places in the US, so you could potentially work in US as well if you wanted to (for some reason Qatalyst really used to like Ivey undergrads before they stopped sponsoring and Ivey is still atarget for Silver Lake). ButLSEis also great and has similar opportunities in the UK.
Ivey is great, since you're an international student it would still be difficult to go to Ivey and get a US job. But there's a lot of opportunities in Toronto.
If you're goal is to go back to India, I agree thanLSEfrom an international brand may be better. But if you want to stay in North America go to Ivey.
lmao they arent even in the same league,LSE在欧洲，亚太地区，北美的任何地方都会得到良好的认可（就品牌识别而言，在加拿大的一所狗屎阶层学校都会占上风），并且几乎所有发达和新兴的市场都在加拿大。
如果您100％确定您想在加拿大工作，Ivey可能会对您有所受益mbb， 但LSE绝对有任何加拿大学校mbb在加拿大。
LSEwouldn't help at all with landingIB/MBB在美国，本科生。招聘工作OCR并且在国家需要物理地在那里的州建立网络，后者最终将撞到“嘿，孩子为什么他妈的你不申请伦敦”的墙壁。招聘是结构化的，除非您在其他地方拥有公民身份，否则您多次去上学的地区。我很确定加拿大学校有OCR与任何英国学校相比，将孩子送到本科的州的链接更好。即使从牛津桥开始，人们也不适用NYC得到它,它只是没有任何逻辑意义for a bank to pick them up. Post undergrad the school is pretty irrelevant as experience/firm name is more important however in Asia this isn't as true andLSE会是一个好赌注。
To OP, pick the school/culture you think you will like the most, both are targets in their countries and it really does depend on where abouts you want to work and settle down. In terms of recruiting,LSEwill give you great odds for the London scene butOCR/resume pushing does not exist here, nor do referrals (generally speaking) forBBsandEBS。Therefore it's really random and a lot is staked on performance on online numerical and verbal tests you must do for pretty much every bank. NA, I believe, doesn't do this and the power of a target forOCRand networking can eliminate the randomness in recruiting. Most kids fromLSE将一无所获，其中很多人将是顶尖的人才，但伦敦招募的随机性应该使他们感到困扰。
如果这些来自印度的家伙，没有人会问他为什么要为美国角色而不是英国的角色，每个人都知道为什么，人们一直在办公室之间切换
the brand name ofLSEwill help you with networking to the extent thatocris practically moot, especially for us roles, maybe not as much for canadian roles
the most important point that nobody ever talks about enough is that you will always have a soft ceiling in your career if you attend a school outside of hypsm/oxbridge, especially in buy side, even if you get ambafrom a more "prestigious" school. nowLSEisnt hypsm/oxbridge, but its a hell of a lot closer than ivey
Wait I'm just genuinely curious, how is it that London banks recruit? By giving interviews to the folks that do best on online math/verbal tests?!? If that were the case (which I believe you) wouldn't it be that many more folks outside of Oxbridge/LSE/UCL/imperial/Warwick etc. get into banking jobs?
I just don't get the noOCR/resume part of this. Like Goldman doesn't give presentations and meet kids onLSE/Oxford campus etc.? And there's no human who chooses resumes and looks at what school you went to?
Wait I'm just genuinely curious, how is it that London banks recruit? By giving interviews to the folks that do best on online math/verbal tests?!? If that were the case (which I believe you) wouldn't it be that many more folks outside of Oxbridge/LSE/UCL/imperial/Warwick etc. get into banking jobs?
I just don't get the noOCR/resume part of this. Like Goldman doesn't give presentations and meet kids onLSE/Oxford campus etc.? And there's no human who chooses resumes and looks at what school you went to?
Wait I'm just genuinely curious, how is it that London banks recruit? By giving interviews to the folks that do best on online math/verbal tests?!? If that were the case (which I believe you) wouldn't it be that many more folks outside of Oxbridge/LSE/UCL/imperial/Warwick etc. get into banking jobs?
I just don't get the noOCR/resume part of this. Like Goldman doesn't give presentations and meet kids onLSE/Oxford campus etc.? And there's no human who chooses resumes and looks at what school you went to?
whoevers throwing monkey shit at me i hope you stay stuck in sell side for the rest of your life
You're getting MS because you're wrong buddy. I don't know where in the world you work but if you spent time at solid banks inNYCyou would see that Ivey is way overrepresented in a lot of the top banking groups streetwide. I didn't know who the fuck they were before 3 of them were in myFT分析师课程GSFIG。There weresome inTMTand other groups as well.
Ivey does not have a global brand name no. Not even close. But within the walls of US finance it's good enough to get you a plum job, and after that, your work experience matters more than your school ever did. You are not getting anNYCgig out ofLSEout of undergrad, you're just not. Look around, browse on LinkedIn. Do you see any of that shit happening? No.
您显然不是我们的基础，因为如果您是您的声音，您会意识到自己的声音多么荒谬。
作为记录，由于您似乎认为这是状态的事情，所以我在buyside上
You're getting MS because you're wrong buddy. I don't know where in the world you work but if you spent time at solid banks inNYCyou would see that Ivey is way overrepresented in a lot of the top banking groups streetwide. I didn't know who the fuck they were before 3 of them were in myFT分析师课程GSFIG。There were some inTMTand other groups as well.
Ivey does not have a global brand name no. Not even close. But within the walls of US finance it's good enough to get you a plum job, and after that, your work experience matters more than your school ever did. You are not getting anNYCgig out ofLSEout of undergrad, you're just not. Look around, browse on LinkedIn. Do you see any of that shit happening? No.
您显然不是我们的基础，因为如果您是您的声音，您会意识到自己的声音多么荒谬。
作为记录，由于您似乎认为这是状态的事情，所以我在buyside上
You're getting MS because you're wrong buddy. I don't know where in the world you work but if you spent time at solid banks inNYCyou would see that Ivey is way overrepresented in a lot of the top banking groups streetwide. I didn't know who the fuck they were before 3 of them were in myFT分析师课程GSFIG。There were some inTMTand other groups as well.
Ivey does not have a global brand name no. Not even close. But within the walls of US finance it's good enough to get you a plum job, and after that, your work experience matters more than your school ever did. You are not getting anNYCgig out ofLSEout of undergrad, you're just not. Look around, browse on LinkedIn. Do you see any of that shit happening? No.
您显然不是我们的基础，因为如果您是您的声音，您会意识到自己的声音多么荒谬。如果您是我们的，那真是可悲。
作为记录，由于您似乎认为这是状态的事情，所以我在buyside上
1 - even if you knew nothing, some quick napkin math and linkedin searches would show you thatLSEliterally has 20x the presence inibd/pe/vc/er/am or whatever career path this kids aiming for, despite having an undergraduate enrollment little over 2x the iveybusinessschool.
2 - less people fromLSEwant to go tonycas opposed to from ivey, because there's way less opportunities in toronto. this isnt the case in london, because believe it or not people don't see a material difference between london and new york in terms of opportunities nor prestige
3-LSEhas a wharton-like dominance in the uk, with the additional benefit of placing much better in asia-pacific and developing regions who tend to favor european schools.
4 - i cannot understand the importance of the soft ceiling that you'll encounter in buyside if you went to a school with no layman's prestige. nobody cares how good you are at your job when they can strut some kid from whyp/oxbridge out in front of clients instead of one from a top ~200 global university.LSE实际上是世界上每个国家的知名度
+我只记得艾维（Ivey）有一个智障和令人费解的2+ 2系统，他们踢出没有80％+ GPA的孩子。如果您在LSEwho has below a 80%, thanLSE只有20倍的校友网络，本科生的入学人数（每个人的GPA都超过80％），这是Ivey的大小2/3
You really write stuff like you are so certain on it. To start it is modeled on aHBSstyle system where the actual Ivey degree is 2 years and case based classes. The way AEO works is you are guaranteed a spot into Ivey as long you stay on path, so its not 1/3 of class gets kicked out, its Ivey kids do classes with general undergrad and if they struggle in them miss entry into Ivey. Also Ivey takes a certain portion of student transfers from other schools/non-AEO. Next, face facts Ivey is the pool of a high % of top students in Canada they have a very strong alumni presence. Ofcourse any UK target will have more alumni than top Canadian schools the population is way bigger. I know Canadians who are in law/med/finance who are in roles worldwide competing with top UK/US students. To say the top % of finance students from a 1st world nation have no chance is beyond ridiculous. Plus I know at least 3 people who got intoLSE, its much easier for Canucks to get intoLSEthan any top US target. Not every at Ivey orLSEis going to makeBXNYC让我们成为现实，这也不是沃顿酒店，也不是美国最高目标的兴趣。
如前所述，两者都会让您在欧盟拥有巨大的优势。其他可能更容易与人建立联系NYCand shorter flight. Neither is Wharton. First step would be to see if you can even get accepted to both.
再次 - 如果您想在毕业后去美国上班，那就是赢家。去看看您的LinkedIn搜索，看看发生了什么。
如果您认为伦敦和纽约之间没有实质性差异，从而在伦敦，就必须在伦敦。你在PE因此，请帮助我快速数学。什么是PEindustry in the United States? Now what's the AUM of thePEIndustry in all of Europe? How large are the total capital markets in the US? and now how large are they in all of Europe? Now compare the United States to the rest of the entire world combined. The answer is still MULTIPLES larger. So hopefully you can follow that More AUM = More Comp = More Jobs. Now does that meanNYC有更多的声望吗？我会让你成为法官。
Look at the buyside exits of Ivey kids who do their banking stints at topBBs/EBS。They're pretty fucking good. A kid in my analyst class left to go to Maverick 7 MONTHS after banking. The soft ceiling you speak of doesn't exist after 4+ years of experience and inNYC。You think LPs are impressed by a kid from whyp/oxbridge being "whipped out" in front of them? Do you think "kids" even get put in front of LPs to begin with lol? You think THAT is what is driving LPs capital allocation decision making?
Lol this guy above is a loser. Ivey is one of the best schools out there for undergrads. Go look at LinkedIn and search Alumni. I'm assuming you're butt hurt because you lost out on a job to someone from Ivey.
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