MBB顾问回答问题

Looks like it may have been a while since a post like this was made here. I foundWSO当我经历招聘时,超级有价值,并认为在工作了几年后会做出贡献MBB。更多背景:进入半目标(想想UVA/UMICH/UCB/UCLA),加入了湾区/NYoffice ofMBB,最近在那里度过了3年后离开。那里与招聘团队紧密合作。

I relied heavily on this community as I was going through recruiting, so happy to answer any and all questions. Please don't PM; let others see your question and we can continue the conversation in PMs if it's clear it's something specific to just you that others wouldn't benefit from seeing further conversation around.

EDIT: Heads up will wrap up actively responding to comments on 8/5, once the thread hits 1 week old--may check every so often afterwards. Just a note to posters who may be coming onto this thread after I've stopped actively checking.

Comments (63)

  • Interninia
Jul 29, 2020 - 1:15pm

感谢您这样做AMA!

  1. What were some of your stats applying into these positions? (GPA, ECs, etc.) Since you worked with recruiting, what were criteria you looked out for when screening applications?
  2. 您对“为什么要咨询”的答案是什么?
  3. 您使用了哪些材料?您是如何找到案例伙伴练习的?
  4. 我也只是想知道您从MBB前进了什么步骤?
Jul 29, 2020 - 1:23pm
  1. GPA的年龄为3.97,有几个EC,我非常热衷,并处于领导地位,并且是夏天的实习。FWIW,我加入了MBBas an intern. Resume screens are typically actually done by consultants themselves, and they're ultimately looking for someone who signals they have the intellectual horsepower, cultural fit, and mentality to just get stuff done and learn. Typically, that manifests itself in a decent GPA (we didn't hard cutoff at 3.5, but it was very rare to see someone get through the screen with anything lower), and ECs + professional experience that show real impact.

  2. Won't go into too much detail here as it'll be relatively easy to identify who I am from this answer, but the gist of my answer was talking about why I was passionate about making an impact on businesses and felt consulting was a great fit given the variety of projects and skillset you build. I'll say that the answers people give to this vary wildly -- best advice I can give here is to reflect on why you actually want to enter consulting and give your genuine answer.

  3. I used Victor Cheng's stuff to get familiar with what a case even was, what some typical ways were to go through them, and then turned attention toMBA案例练习案件。我与人建立了联系,建立了一些融洽的关系后,发现了一对愿意和我一起做几个案件的夫妇。除此之外,我只是自己在案件中工作了很多练习。

  4. Went into a product role at a startup.

Jul 29, 2020 - 1:55pm

LinkedIn will be more helpful than me here--try searching for PMs at FAANG who haveMBB作为过去的经验 - 但通常您不会看到他们直接进入PM职位(例外是PM开发计划)。更常见的是,您会看到他们加入战略/营销/运营团队,然后经过2 - 3年后,进入产品。这种过渡并不总是意味着MBB顾问知道他们想做产品,但无法直接加入产品,所以另一个角色也是如此。在许多情况下,这很可能是因为他们只是不考虑产品或不认为这是对他们的,但是随后与团队一起以他们加入时的任何角色,然后才认为这是他们'd喜欢做。但是,我认为这种情况仍然是,看到某人直接从MBB跳入Faang位置将非常非常罕见 - 至少在您做到时MBBpost-undergrad.

Jul 29, 2020 - 3:33pm

Do you happen to know anyone who made a lateral move into the BA/A/AC level from a non-consulting background? Specifically people with 1-2 years of experience. How common is it, especially at very popular offices like SF/NYC? What about at the smaller regional offices, like Seattle or Denver?

我之所以问,是因为我正在计划从现在开始的一年后跳跃OCRlast year. I'll be coming from an operations role at a quant hedge fund. Do you have any advice on what the best strategy for this would be?

7月29日,2020年4:31 pm

是的,我愿意。这并不是很普遍的,但是通常我们将拥有约1-3个行业员工 - 与以前的咨询经验的混合在一起。与也从行业跳跃的人们建立联系,不是要获得“进来”,而要真正了解这样做的优点,了解他们如何跳跃等。然后,有时间做出决定,您'LL不仅要通知,而且很可能会在整个过程中为您提供帮助。

  • Internin咨询
Jul 29, 2020 - 4:59pm

您的办公室有多重要?只要您在像这样的主要办公室,它会影响出口吗NYC/SF/芝加哥/波士顿?

Have been hearing wonderful things about Chicago culture in particular but my school historically only places into the Dallas office. Any difference in outcomes there?

7月29日,2020年6:07 pm

Honestly, I'm not too sure. I don't think you're going to see wildly varying availability of outcomes due to office. I think your office impacts 2 things that can impact exit opps: 1) The type of work you end up doing--especially at Bain/BCG where staffing is local and regional, respectively, 2) Prestige of office -- this is the one I'm less sure how much others actually value this; I do think it might matter more in a PE-type recruiting situation vs. exiting to a startup.

FWIW,大多数人不会将芝加哥纳入一组主要办事处。请记住,您也可以随时转让办公室。转移到SF/NY/BOS office is always going to be harder than going from one of those to the other, but that's just a matter of demand those offices have to fill spots.

  • Internin咨询
7月29日,2020年9:31 pm

Currently at anMBB在您提到的一个城市中。芝加哥是每一个MBB,这是麦肯锡的第一个/创始办公室。毫无疑问,这是一个主要办公室。

That said, I believe you're right about the work you're ending up doing being very much influenced by your office for Bain/BCG, and less so McKinsey.

  • Prospectin其他
7月29日,2020年6:44 pm

嗨,谢谢您这样做。我正在进入高年级,目前在一家金融公司实习,大多数内部战略是MBB。我不在战略团队中,计划全职招聘MBBafter my current internship. Is it acceptable/would it be weird for me to network with the strategy folk at my firm or would it be looked down upon especially since I will not be returning FT? How would you feel at your start-up if an intern who does not plan on accepting英尺wants to chat about your time at MBB?

  • Prospectin其他
Jul 29, 2020 - 7:04pm

to add a little more, would it be better to wait until after the internship or would that be frowned upon also?

7月29日,2020年9:24 pm

Honestly, nobody is going to be able to answer this for you except yourself. Whether it's weird to network with these folks at your company depends entirely on what your relationship is like with them. If you're someone who has killed it at the company and you have a good relationship with them, or have someone at the company who views you positively and is willing to make an introduction for you to some of these folks, then I don't think it's weird at all.

  • Prospectin咨询
7月30日,2020年7月12:33 AM

您好,非常感谢您做这件事!我是中西部目标的大三学生,根据我的GPA和专业,我认为我需要努力地进行访谈。(当然也忙于案件/行为准备)

My question is how would you advise a student to make a real connection during networking. Without any face to face contact (asOCR虚拟)试图建立真正的联系有哪些策略?到目前为止,我已经进行简短的信息访谈, but it seems a little repetitive and shallow. Any tips? Thanks again.

Jul 30, 2020 - 12:54am

这是一个great question, and it's so difficult to answer. What you're aiming to do is make a genuine connection with someone, who will then be willing to really work with you throughout the process/put you in touch with other people at the firm/vouch for you. That's obviously easier said than done. I think the best way to do this is 1) Have warm conversations with people -- find people who were in the same clubs as you or have some sort of commonality where there is going to be a willingness to help off the bat, 2) Have genuine conversations with people. Don't follow the format of what the stereotypical information interview looks like. Think about what you genuinely want to learn and ask these questions. Hopefully you'll form a good enough connection with a couple people that then turns into them wanting to help you out.

最有帮助的
Jul 30, 2020 - 10:51am

This question really stuck with me and I kind of mulled it around and have one more follow-up note here, which is to really take a broad lens as to what a 'warm' conversation or what a commonality can look like. It doesn't just have to be a club you were both in. It could literally be that you see the person has some interest shared with you, has similar volunteer experience to you, is from the same hometown as you; when I was going through recruiting, I too often got stuck thinking a warm connection had to come from some commonality that was formal or professional in nature, but that's not right. I think a better way to think about it is the same kind of stuff that would lead you to connect with someone you meet at a party/bar/in any social scene is going to typically be the best type of commonality when reaching out to someone. As far as cold outreach that came my way, I was always quickest to respond to messages that were along the lines of "Hi Doublejump, I'm a Junior at学校interested in joining consulting after graduating. I was looking through the LinkedIn profiles of folks in the San Francisco/New York office ofMBBand noticed you [are from X city/seem to enjoy Y hobby/spent a Summer in Z country/whatever]. I'm also a huge fan of Y hobby; [insert one sentence about something they've done in that hobby]. If you're up for it, I'd love to chat about your experiences in consulting so far."

上面的并不意味着是模板,只是这些消息往往读取的一个示例。我绝对喜欢收到这些信息。它表明这个人是真实的和周到的,我的直接反应是,我宁愿让这样的人加入班级与他们学校的其他人。

  • Prospectin其他
7月30日,2020年 - 12:45 AM

嘿,谢谢你这样做。我正在实习IBthis summer and looking to recruit for英尺咨询角色。这是常见的过渡吗?好像我学校的一些咨询人员认为金融/IB孩子们看到他们作为一个“备份”所以我担心a finance focused background isn't as good as having some more diverse experiences. Also, if I get a return, would it be a good idea to try to email the recruiters and accelerate the process?

7月30日,2020年 - 12:56 AM

Absolutely a normal transition to make. It'll be important to be able to speak to why you want to do consulting--and I'd be sure to make this a point in your cover letter--but it's relatively common to see folks who didIBduring the summer and realized it just wasn't for them.

Never hurts to email recruiters to see if they're willing to accelerate the process.

7月30日,2020年7月11:07 pm

嗨 - 感谢您这样做!

I'm a rising junior at UPenn and wondering how much networking is required from a target school. Granted I've had quite a few coffee chats with different people from different firms, along with some follow ups. Some told me to reach out when I apply but we're very vague. I haven't made any serious lasting relationships and am worried i won't get interviews. Wondering your thoughts on this - do I need a referral from Penn and does my networking sound like enough? Obviously it would help a lot but I'm very stressed that there's more I can be doing that I'm not.

谢谢。

Jul 30, 2020 - 11:26pm

我认为您不需要担心。只要您拥有不错的GPA和扎实的专业 + EC经验,就不需要网络。换句话说,如果您的应用程序中有一个明显的一部分,可以阻止您有很好的机会接受面试,但这本身并不是接受面试的必要条件。至少在我的MBB特别是我的学校里,大部分的坦诚ates were given interviews simply on the merits of how their applications were scored during the resume screen. Networking and the relationships fostered through that really only came up when it was time to discuss the last few spots we had for interviews and the pool of candidates who we believed to be on that borderline of getting an interview or not.

  • Prospectin咨询
Jul 31, 2020 - 11:26am

Going along with the question from Rezzy here. Is it pretty important to network with the recruiting team specifically? I know Bain puts out exactly which associates are on the team and I think BCG as well.

此外,网络是否足以抵消3.54 GPA(非STEM)和扎实的体验?(对于暑期实习生)这是来自目标学校的,但不如Upenn高

My low GPA has been weighing on my mind and networking seems like the only thing I can do to counteract it.

2020年7月31日至10:10 pm

感谢您这样做。这是我的一些问题;

1)我在Bain&BCG看到的国际学生很少。您能从您的经验中分享为什么是这种情况?BCG也很少雇用人,即使它比贝恩(Bain)大得多?

2)如果我没有咨询实习,作为国际亚洲男性,我什至在英尺MBA在这种环境中招募?

Jul 31, 2020 - 11:27pm
  1. 不幸的是,我在这里没有太多洞察力。我要说的是,在我们的简历屏幕上,我们甚至申请的国际学生人数是其中的一小部分。

  2. I'm unfamiliar with howMBA招聘工作,但我认为这取决于头脑vily on whatMBAyou're at. My guess is you get more slack the better ranked program you're at.

2020年7月31日 - 10:45 pm

谢谢您这样做!

  1. I was wondering what about your internship experience led you to want to take your full time offer with your firm?

  2. I've heardMBB可以具有竞争力和残酷的态度,并且您必须从同龄人那里注视自己的背部。这是你的经历吗?

  3. Did you ever feel pressured to work slower or create unnecessary work in order to extend the contract/generate more billable hours for the firm?

  4. 这似乎是一个愚蠢的问题,我在今年夏天的实习期间意识到,我真的不喜欢幻灯片,但我对帮助企业解决最大挑战的想法非常感兴趣。我是否应该不喜欢制作幻灯片,这意味着我应该在咨询之外从事事情?

2020年7月31日 - 11:32 pm
  1. Thought the work was interesting, stimulating, and would allow me to build a good skillset; absolutely loved the people; exit opportunities were great.

  2. This wasn't my experience.

  3. Absolutely not. We didn't (and I am pretty confident noMBB做)一个小时。项目提前范围范围,每月收费。从来没有觉得我们试图为了挤奶更多的钱而扩大合同。

  4. 我的意思是,我想这取决于您不喜欢幻灯片的程度。各个级别的资历都有很多幻灯片制作和编辑。就沟通见解并与客户产生所需的讨论而言,这是一种目的的手段。

Jul 31, 2020 - 11:35pm

Comp will vary wildly depending on the startup you're looking at. Some can't afford (or aren't willing) to pay you much in cash, and others are. Really just depends on the specific company. I went pretty early stage and my cash comp actually bumped up a bit.

2020年8月1日 - 1:01 AM

What made you decide to exit into product at a startup instead of pursuing other alternatives (continuing at yourMBB,B学校,行业,私募股权)?赞助套餐的报价似乎非常引人注目,所以我很好奇您对此有多认真的看法。

Do you see yourself ever coming back to yourMBB将来?目前在其中一家公司中,考虑了这些主题,因此会喜欢您的观点!

2020年8月2日至下午12:26

MyMBBleaves an offer on the table to return, so it felt like a risk-free time to do something else in that regard. B-school was something that I thought could potentially be in the cards, but I wanted to get some experience at a startup before going--if I did choose to go. Industry just never interested me much--much better lifestyle and that's a big reason why people go that route, and I never really had issues with the lifestyle (save for a few cases). Lastly, onPE,我花了很多时间探索日常的外观 - 最终,这并不是我认为自己喜欢做的​​事情(但这对许多人来说是一条好途径)。

我还没有准备好回到我的门MBBin the future, but the longer I'm out the less I think I realistically go back--have really enjoyed building things and seeing people use them. I did truly love the job at myMBBthough.

Aug 2, 2020 - 11:17pm

Hi Doublejump,

感谢您的时间创建此线程。我目前在Cal,特别是我希望在即将到来的秋季申请全职职位。我希望您对办公室选择的建议 - 我不确定毕业后我想去的地方以及INT。学生我在美国也没有家庭。我正在考虑的一些城市是西雅图,NY,洛杉矶和休斯敦(如果我决定要靠近伯克利哈哈,或者是SF)。

How did you select your office preferences when you applied?

From what others told me (idk how reliable the source is tho) my school isn't a target for any other offices other than SF, so does this mean that I would have to network with folks in other offices in order to be considered for an interview?

有些办公室是否一定不足候选人的“供应”与“需求”?我知道,在美国所有办公室中,标准是相同的,但是由于员工可用性和更高的需求,有些标准比其他办事处更具竞争力。您对此有何见解?哪些办公室是美国最大的办公室?

  • Internin其他
2020年8月2日 - 11:36 pm

What should be my networking strategy if I want to apply to offices without alumni from my school? My school is a target formbbbut most people go to regional offices and there aren't really any at the offices I'm interested in. Thanks!

Aug 3, 2020 - 10:35pm

Same thoughts I gave to the poster who mentioned "I am a junior at a midwest target..." apply here. Seek people who you have some sort of commonality with--in this case it won't be your school--and try to form some connections with them. Alternatively, you could reach out to alumni from your school and, if you can form a solid connection or already are close to some of them, can ask them to put you in touch with people from the offices you're interested in.

2020年8月7日-9:45 pm

如果这是一个严肃的帖子,我从未听说过这样的举动。通常,在那时,您以合作伙伴的身份进入。我从来没有见过咨询合作伙伴来到另一家公司的合伙人,并且看到一些人从行业中作为专家合作伙伴出来 - 但这些人通常是具有深厚行业(与交易)经验的人。所有合作伙伴级的员工通常都将与The The The The Perions建立深厚的网络或至少与高级人员建立牢固的关系MBB。I'm no expert on this--just speaking from the handful of these laterals I've seen happen (have seen 3 Partner laterals, 1 Expert Partner lateral).

2020年8月8日 - 8:43 AM

unlike many other professions...a commodity futures trader does not have the networks and deep industry experience...its more like an athlete of sorts...but the sport is solo and can be a very lonely experience. i would expect the entry transition to another field would not be a very senior position...it really would be starting all over (and while i'm sure the experience as a trader has some value as an information processing decision maker...that alone is not enough)...tho perhaps the advancement would be faster than a fresh college hire.

thoughts?

Aug 9, 2020 - 3:46pm

How did you select your office preferences when you applied?

From what others told me (idk how reliable the source is tho) my school isn't a target for any other offices other than SF, so does this mean that I would have to network with folks in other offices in order to be considered for an interview?

有些办公室是否一定不足候选人的“供应”与“需求”?我知道,在美国所有办公室中,标准是相同的,但是由于员工可用性和更高的需求,有些标准比其他办事处更具竞争力。您对此有何见解?哪些办公室是美国最大的办公室?

2020年8月10日 - 11:31 pm

我相信你将莱克阀门ely do your first-rounds either on-campus or on-site at your local office before being considered for a separate office (e.g. first round at McKinsey SF before being considered for McKinsey NY). That being said, those other 'popular' offices tend to fill their ranks with students from local universities and/or Top 10 (Ivy League, Stanford, etc.) because they can, so the bar to get there from a non-target is sometimes higher.

2020年8月12日至下午6:15

This is also what I saw during the recruiting process. I saw it more frequently where someone who was from a non-target for our office but target from other office interviewed with the other office, then the other offices recruiting team sent us their list of candidates they passed through round 1 and gave us the choice to interview them or not.

2020年8月12日至下午6:20

While I certainly have to appreciate your ambition--and know, especially at Cal, how easy it can feel abnormal to not know what you want to do from day 1--best advice I can give is to actually focus on learning what you're interested in (and do take school seriously + recognize the value of having a good GPA) and pursuing activities you're passionate about. That'll lead into having all the stuff consulting firms look for. You don't need to be in a business frat, consulting club, etc. What actually stuck out most in interviews were the candidates who clearly did stuff they actually cared about and had massive impact; every student from the top consulting club is going to apply to the various consulting firms, and it becomes very repetitive seeing the following profile: 3.5+ GPA, Haas undergrad, Member of or leadership position in top consulting club, Member of or leadership position in business frat, strategy/operations internships at recognizable names. Is that going to get you an interview? Sure. But, there's so many other ways to get an interview and, arguably, are ones that help you stand out not only during the resume screen but also during the interview itself.

回答您的其他问题(请记住我没有说明自己去哪里,所以用一粒盐来接受):我是Econ and Poli Sci Double Double,Haas本科生与其他任何本科生无关紧要有人在招募咨询的时间(我们看过的许多其他指标,例如GPA,您在校外遇到的影响等),我认为双重主修或矿业并不重要。

Seriously just pursue stuff you are actually interested in--forcing yourself to fit a mold you think consulting firms are going after is not the path to success, and is not going to lead to you being happy. Do be cognizant of what it is firms and other jobs look for--academic rigor + success, impact outside of school, etc.--but just do what you think matters and is interesting. Even if you were to talk to someone who just joinedMBBafter undergrad right now, chances are incredibly high they won't even work there anymore by the time you recruit.

2020年8月12日 - 11:49 pm

最近毕业的Cal和我同意Double Jump的100% - 有时候做不是Cookie Cutter实际上会让您脱颖而出(除了可能与Mckinsey一样)。做足够的事情来使自己穿过门,但不要受到典型的限制。在大学里,有很多事情要做,这与您从事咨询工作的丝毫没有关系。只有如果您找到其他真正的理由来做这些事情(社区,对业务的热情等),这样您就不会离开大学后悔所有没有做过的事情。:)

With that being said, feel free to reach out to me if you have any questions about Cal, whether consulting is actually right for you, or otherwise.

  • Prospectin咨询
2020年8月11日至10:35 AM

Does giving a generic "why consulting or why X firm" answer put you at a severe disadvantage? I know there are a few pretty common answers to why consulting so I can see how that is pretty plain.

Does it really matter?

Aug 12, 2020 - 6:25pm

Not at all. As long as your answer is genuine, it'll show--and that's what counts. I knew someone who said they didn't know what they wanted to do after school but thought consulting would give them time to learn that and the skills/platform to pursue that. That answer actually came across as very mature and helped the candidate stand out.

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