University of Miami VS Fordham

I got accepted into both. I want to work in investment banking at a big banksuch asJPMorganon Wall Street after graduation. From my understanding, Miami is more prestigious but Fordham has more alumni connections. My fear is that Fordham alumni is at smaller banks and not at banks such asJPMorgan and that if there are alumni at the bigger banks that they are noninvestment banking jobs. One of the people I know whoworks at Morgan Stanleysays he has seen more people from UMiami than Fordham in investment banking at MS. Fordham is in New York and if I worked my connections right I could possibly still land a job inIBat a big bank. If my goal is to work at a big bank on Wall Street as an investment banker do you believe Fordham or UMiami would be a better choice?

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Apr 6, 2021 - 11:03am

You will have more fun at UMiami and you can't bank on banking from either school. Definitely go to Miami you won't regret it

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  • Analyst 2inIB-M&A
Apr 6, 2021 - 8:19pm
This is the truest advice you're gonna get OP. Unless you are fron miami and have a burning desire to leave, it's not even a question innymind to choose UM cuz qol is going to be ridiculously higher and the network will likely be better broadly speaking. If you're dead set onIB, crush it at UM and do anm7 mbabut do yourself a favor and choose UM for ug first. Also dont marry a career path before even getting to college. If you are a hard worker, open minded and opportunistic then good things will follow.
  • Analyst 1inIB - Gen
2021年4月6日—12:35pm

UM students are usually wealthy and already well connected. Maybe someone from the U can inform me otherwise but it seems as though that is how they break in.

  • ProspectinIB - Cov
Apr 6, 2021 - 5:20pm

Both are non-core schools so you will have to put in significantly more work than others to get a reputable offer, let alongJPM/MS. Fordham has better placement than you would think, but the kids going to Barclays etc. from there are likely the top kids at the school who have spent the past 4 years networking inNYC, doing semester internships inIB, and just being way more prepared than others. UMiami is possible, but will be very hard. I'd be surprised if there was a single bank inNYthat actually had a pipeline forIB. Generally the best kids at each of these schools can get an offer, but these are often times kid with significant merit scholarships, honors programs, near-perfect GPA's etc. So basically it's possible, but you're going to have to work really hard and be a standout candidate.

Apr 6, 2021 - 6:36pm

So if I even wanted a small shot atJPMorgan or a bank of the caliber would you go with Miami?

  • ProspectinIB - Cov
Apr 6, 2021 - 7:12pm

It won't matter, if you get an offer fromJPMneither school will provide an advantage. Neither school has an alumni network atJPM, andJPMhas shifted its recruitment strategy and everything is HR-run (and school matters much less now). If I were you, I would be a lot more open-minded bank-wise. There are a lot more banks out there than justJPM. The kids from Wharton who end up atBAML/Barclays/Citi/CSare typically top candidates. You should be grateful to get any reputable offer.

Apr 7, 2021 - 9:59am

Went to the U and work at a decent sized boutique inNYCnow, so let me weigh in here. As most of the comments have mentioned, you can make it into banking out of any school if you network enough and grind out top grades. You have a very good advantage knowing you'd be interested in banking before even starting school, so i'm sure you'll do just fine either way.

Yes,JPMand MS are top banks, but there are numerous other high quality banks out there as well, so I would strongly advise against limiting yourself to those two as I don't think anybody (even top students at target schools) can definitively guarantee they will get spots at select banks. It would be a disservice to only consider those two and I think that might just be attributed to being a bit green when it comes to understanding how the mechanics of job placement in banking works.

Citi recruits heavily from Miami for Treasury and Trade solutions. This is a middle office position, not afront officebanking position. However, I have seen a couple of the top students from Miami manage to get into the banking division at Citi. One thing to consider is are you going to be accepted to the Bermont/Carlin Scholars program, which is a direct feeder into Wall Street if you want it. The school can be fun but it really takes a certain person to thrive in that environment. It's a lot of rich north easterners with a splash of kids from SoFlo, at least from the experience in my social circle. Everyone also listens to fucking EDM, it's awful.

On the other hand, Fordham is a 25 min train ride toNYC. I don't have as much insight, but listen to those podcasts Patrick does (Monkey to Millions?) he mentors a young woman who goes to Fordham and she seemed to do really well since she kind of knew how the game was played early on.

All in all, I think the schools are comparable and i'd go where you feel like you'd be most comfortable. I'd also consider how much money these schools will give you. Neither of these places is worth paying full price (~65k a year). I do not even know if I'd pay half that price, but you know your personal situation better than I do. Happy to be helpful if I can.

Apr 8, 2021 - 7:20pm

I was talking to the person I know at MS and he says he has definitely seen people from UMiami at MS inIB. He also said most of them went to topMBAprograms before working for MS. The Bermount- Carlin program you mentioned, obviously it's selective but have you seen people go intoIBon Wall Street at either big or small banks out of this program?

Apr 9, 2021 - 9:13am

Yes, i've seen people from Bermont/Carlin go to both big and small banks inNYCas well as other places. I personally was not a part of the program and I did fine, but definitely had to grind for it. Further to your first comment about Miami students at MS, this could be attributed to theMBAprogram they attended and not necessarily their undergrad program - totally changes the dynamic, especially if you recruited out of a topMBAprogram.

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