如果你是我你会怎么做?(医学和公共汽车iness)

大家好,

我只想通过说一个漫长的建议来序言,但是任何形式的建议都将不胜感激,因为我对未来非常迷失和害怕。就背景而言,我刚刚在圣地亚哥分校完成了大二年份,最初打算上医学院的生物学专业。我以最后的手段来到这里,因为我试图徒劳地弄清楚自己的事情,甚至与家人和朋友咨询,但是我比开始的更困惑更加困惑。

For starters, my parents won't hear me out even if the world was gonna end tomorrow, and to be honest I sympathize with them. They're both overworked computer engineers that have seen their own relatives in medicine work just as hard as them but get quadruple the pay and respect. All they want is for me to have a good life, so when I told them that I was interested in finance instead of medicine, they were understandably distraught, because I think they believe business to be more "store manager of Dollar Tree" making 30k a year kind of thing. Now of course if I were to get into a top business school and get aIB/PE/VC/HF工作当然会完全支持我...我的意思是什么样的父母不会。但是问题在于他们,这样的工作完全是不可能的,我真的怪他们吗?当我从UCSD毕业时,我并不是要在华尔街工作,而UCSD毕业后,这实际上是针对生物学和STEM专业的闻名。实际上,我什至都不认为UCSD具有本科业务计划。

But I have to admit that it took me until now to realize that I may have been one of those "idealistic" premeds that didn't fully understand the extensive schooling (sometimes as much as 14 years) and stress the medicine path often requires, and that when I did try soul searching, as pathetic as it may sound, a large factor of my initial motivation to become a doctor/surgeon was for the money, not helping people or any other benevolent reason. And it doesn't take a genius to understand that going into medicine for the money is not a good choice, as there's so much potential earnings lost over the 10+ years of schooling, not to mention the debt that would be accrued.

Now I also want to mention that I don't want lots of money because I want a Lamborghini or 3 yachts or anything like that. I would just like to give back to my parents, maybe take them on some expensive vacation or get them a nice car because they've done so much for me. But the fact is, they're getting old and I don't have much time. I'm 20 right now, and they're 50 (they had me late). By the time I become a full-fledged doctor and actually start making money, I don't know if they'll even be alive or in good condition to travel.

I don't think going to medical school (even if I managed to get into a good one) would be a smart choice for me or my future patients if I'm not completely passionate about it unlike my other premed peers. On the other hand, I've always been much more interested (and naturally better) at math/statistics/econ compared to chemistry/biology. I've been investing in stocks since high school, and I feel like I've gotten pretty good at it. As I started researching jobs in finance, hedge funds really stood out, and that would be my ultimate dream career to work at one. I've always been a risk taker, so at least giving my shot at getting to work at one matters more to me than staying quiet and going down the medical school route which might make my parents happy but not me.

What makes things even more confusing is I start hearing about these "deferred admission"MBA哈佛大学的2 + 2等项目,显然terested in "non-traditional" applicants like STEM students. I will admit that my GPA took a hit this year (sophomore year) partially because of this confusion about what I wanted to do with my life and a lack of motivation to do well in my STEM classes, but I still have around a 3.6, so if I can maintain and maybe even bring this up to like a 3.8 GPA that should be fine. In terms of the GMAT, I have already looked at the material and I feel like I can do pretty well. I don't want to be that one guy who says "oh I'm getting an easy 780+" but I've always been pretty good at standardized testing; I was a tutor for Princeton Review last summer and I did get a perfect SAT score in high school. Now obviously the SAT is much easier than the GMAT, but I'm sure if I tried I could at least muster a score of 700.

So for those metrics I should be OK, but what worries me is that at the end of the day, I'm at a completely non-target school. Things like GMAT and GPA, as I understand, only get you in the foot of the door, but what really gets you accepted is all the "soft" stuff like EC's. That being said, there is absolutely no chance I can compete in terms of extra-curriculars with the other kids interested in business school at target schools who no doubt probably have some sort ofIB今年夏天,我仍在挠头,想知道我是否应该追求商务路线,而我仍然挠头。此外,2+2个计划要求您在本科生中有2年的体面财务工作。...唯一根据我当前的证书雇用我的地方(生物医学期刊的编辑,教师,TA,一些医院,如果我幸运的话,志愿服务)将是汉堡王。

So far, the only thing I can think of in terms of EC's would be to start a branch of a famous consulting club (don't want to give exact name for privacy issues) at my school, that is present in almost all the other UC's (but for some reason UCSD doesn't have one). Other than that, I have no connections, I doubt there are any resources at UCSD, and I have no direction. I just feel like I'm starting this process too late, and on top of that, its not like I'm at Upenn or HYP where I can just twiddle my thumbs, switch majors/direction and probably still get into a topMBAschool just simply due to the undergrad name.

So my question is: If you were in my position what would you do? Should I just suck it up and stick to the med school route? As hard as medical school is, really all it takes is some volunteering (which is easy to get), service, maybe some research....and I'm not saying I would get into Johns Hopkins Med school but I'm sure I would get into something. Or should I go down this uncertain path and possibly end up getting my dream job even though there's like a 1% chance?? Any sort of clarity on the matter would help, because quite frankly I'm running out of time....I'm halfway done with college and I need to know what to do :(.

Comments (27)

Jun 10, 2019 - 5:52pm
StrapYourBoots, what's your opinion? Comment below:

First. Take a deep breath. You're in a good position. Young, in school, good gpa, sunny city, great waves etc. Deep breath. Exhale.

如果您不是110%的确定要当医生,那就不要计划医学院。听起来您已经考虑了时间承诺现在考虑财务承诺。如果您进入医学院1 - 2年并决定不适合您,会发生什么?现在,您的债务+ $ 10万美元+,并且坚持背景不一定有利于您进入金融的目标。

I always liked finance because it's applicable to all industries whereas when you're a doctor you're a doctor in a very specific niche applicable to very specific situations.

You can get into medical/pharma/bio industry with a business background.

Don't do anything to appease your parents too. Your success and happiness is all they want.

"Out the garage is how you end up in charge It's how you end up in penthouses, end up in cars, it's how you Start off a curb servin', end up a boss"
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Jun 11, 2019 - 4:01pm
808s and Heartbreak, what's your opinion? Comment below:

I second the "if you're not 110% sure you want to be a doctor..." notion - I would say that most medical students have had a desire to do medicine beginning early on. They truly want to be physicians. You will always hear of the medical student who did 5 years ofIB/PEbefore switching, but they are the outliers. In my opinion, I wouldn't choose medicine unless you absolutely had a genuine interest in it given the amount of time you give up going through school, debt you'll pick up and opportunity cost of having a relatively low salary in residency+fellowship (assuming you go those routes in your specific specialty).

Jun 11, 2019 - 12:10am
Piojack, what's your opinion? Comment below:

I'm a surgical resident. Don't do it.

PM me if you'd like a more thorough discussion.

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Aug 12, 2021 - 6:06pm

介意分享您的意思“不要做”吗?

Aug 12, 2021 - 6:18pm
Piojack, what's your opinion? Comment below:

给我开个PM进行更多的讨论。简短的版本是,这是一大堆工作和牺牲,以获得适度的回报。

Jun 11, 2019 - 11:28am
ebitda-d, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Wow this is a lot. You need to calm down and use the summer to think. I wanted to be a doctor before switching into finance. Thankfully for me that was during the summer before I started college. I'd say 1/3 of all recruiting is finished and I think most diversity recruiting is done. When I wanted to be a doctor I'd plan my life out 15 years in advance (college, med school, internship/residency, maybe fellowship, and then finally have a real life). That works well for medicine but right now you have to think short term.

AnMBA很好,如果您是崛起的大四学生,我会说考虑2+2或MBA. But you're a rising junior (I am too). Focus on getting an analyst position at anIB, don't focus on doing something you don't want to do for 2-4 years, applying for anMBAand then getting intoIBas an associate.

Next thing you need to do is figure out what career fields interest you and why. Again, use the summer. Read books aboutIB,PE, medicine, law, whatever. More importantly, start networking and reach out to people and have an honest conversation with them about what they do. Alumni, in my experience, tend to be very honest. A lot of successful analysts doIBfor the money and leave after 2 years intoPE,HF,VC, Corp Dev, whatever. It sucks, and you'll probably hate work every day, but you make money and you can leave after 2 years. I wouldn't encourage it but I wouldn't discourage it either. I would never encourage going into medicine for the money. When I wanted to do medicine I thought I would enjoy it and even though I disliked my science classes I justified it as they weren't applied enough, and being a real doctor is different than learning all of the foundational knowledge. I was always good at STEM classes, but I never really enjoyed the subjects, though I lied to myself about that. Then I did an internship at a hospital and loathed it, hence finance.

Now let's say you decide you want to pursueIB(可能in and of itself, maybe to lead you toHF,PE,VC, Corp Dev). You're behind the game because recruiting is early, not as early as last year or you'd be screwed, but still pretty early. A lot ofBBapplications are online now or will be by July. SomeEBapplications have been online since Spring and I'm not sure if they're still online. I'm not sure how much of a target UCSD is, but online applications don't do anything. You need to start networking immediately. Since you got to a UC school, West Coast banks are probably your best option. I made a list of 300 people to reach out to to get an internship. I made a trip toNY. You need to contact as many people as possible, alumni are the friendliest, and get them to vouch for you. Start speaking to analyst and have them connect you with other analysts. Once you get confident about your networking skills and you know you want to doIB, contact VPs, they can get you an interview (I've been focusing onEBsso not sure if that's true for BBs).

You can spin your background in pre-med, but not liking it (give a better reason than the time commitment becauseIB时间承诺),但仍然发现国际米兰吗esting and that's why you like HealthcareIB. That's what I say in every interview. I've only focused onNY, not the West Coast, so I have no idea which banks are represented there or anything like that, but I'd look through linkedin and check out alumni in SF, LA, andNY.

总结:1。冷静下2.调查职业,并确定IB:3。网络立即要做什么,您不会太晚,但是您错过了一些机会4.与这些连接进行咖啡聊天5.要求他们转介

If you need to know anything else PM me and we can have a phone call or something

Jun 11, 2019 - 11:27pm
Linda Abraham, what's your opinion? Comment below:

At Accepted some consultants advise med school applicants and others advise b-school (and other grad) applicants. So I've seen the full range.

不要上医学院或继续走上医学院的道路,因为即使您得出结论,您也不适合您。这是要求的,需要承诺。你没有。

So, go do something you like that could make you as much or more money than becoming a doctor.

The idea that just because you didn't start as a business major, you can't work in finance or consulting is just not true. If UCSD doesn't have business courses for undergrads, consider switching schools or getting a masters in finance or a masters in management.

Do the research to determine which career will give you the life you most want to lead. Then figure out how to pursue that career. But your professional options are much more flexible than you believe. Your life's just beginning. Not over.

Linda Abraham President,Accepted|联络我|Admissions Consulting
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Aug 25, 2019 - 3:18am
H13x, what's your opinion? Comment below:

我遇到了一些UCSD学生,他们在会计中做了未成年人(?)。

No pain no game.

Jun 15, 2019 - 12:24pm
sgopal2, what's your opinion? Comment below:

You can have both. I know of some people who did MD, then later went into finance. Mostly these did Equity Research. Focus was on biotech or healthcare industries. Getting anMBAwill also help.

But this is a long road: 4 years college + 4 years med school + residency +MBA.

Aug 24, 2019 - 11:34pm
genes, what's your opinion? Comment below:

If OP is not into it he might just fail out of med school.

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Jun 19, 2019 - 4:11pm
ConfusedGuru, what's your opinion? Comment below:

大家好,

I just wanted to thank everyone for their wonderful insight and advice; it has helped me immensely in deciding what I want to do for my future. As many have said, there is no point in pursuing medicine if I am not wholeheartedly interested or passionate about it, despite possible familial pressure.

Although I am late in the finance game, I'm just going to try my best to network with local investment banks and hedge funds to see if they can offer me any sort of internship or anything to help me get my feet wet. I can always go to business school down the road, but I will now just focus on trying to get an internship which will eventually lead me to a good job after graduation.

I have reached out and pm'ed some of you for more advice in regards to specifics about how to go about networking, and possibly leveraging my "premed" background as interest in HealthcareIB. Again, I just want to thank you for all you help!

Jul 3, 2019 - 10:00am
Masterz57, what's your opinion? Comment below:

I didn't read the whole post because you wrote the next chapter of War & Peace, but as someone who has many MD friends, if you're not 100% sure you want to be a doctor for reasons OTHER THAN MONEY, do NOT do it. I have multiple MD friends who had absolute freakouts about going into medicine once they got through a couple of years of med school or residency. It's a very long, tough and expensive path to take that is hard to put up with if you don't have some degree of intrinsic motivation.

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Aug 23, 2019 - 10:07am
EarthWalker7, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Stop thinking about what your parents will think of your path. Seriously, stop it. Doing something for the sole purpose of fulfilling your parents' ambitions will prevent your future success and will make you a bitter person who resents your parents. Your parents have your best at heart. But they are NOT you. They don't know your thinking or deeper interests. To be really successful you have to have at least significant interest in something - and ideally a burning passion for it. If you go into medicine you will be a mediocre or lousy doctor, and you will resent your parents. I was pre-med (my science grades sucked, so I'm in finance) and I know a handful of doctors who went into medicine for parental reasons. To a one, they resent their parents, feel trapped in the field, and wish that had done something else. It's a dis-service to your patients, it's a dis-service to your parents, and it's a dis-service to yourself. You would in a sense be forcing your parents' wishes onto patients, and you will be depriving someone who really belongs in medical school a seat.

2019年8月24日 - 11:30 pm
genes, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Bussiness. If you are even asking this you dont want to go into medicine.

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Aug 25, 2019 - 1:51am
EarthWalker7, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Internships will help you find your calling. There's a big difference between studying a subject in academia, and going in and doing the job day in and day out.

eg. Law as a field of study is probably intellectually stimulating, but the practice of many kinds of law is probably more mundane.

The study of medicine is probably intellectually stimulating but also removed from the actual practice by a mile. In -pre-med you have to slog thru chem, ochem, physics, etc. which you may or may not like, but then later take a lot of cool medically-more-relevant classes like anatomy, patho-physiology, etc.

But ultimately, for decades thereafter you will have the day to day of practicing medicine, which from my time as a volunteer in hospitals and shadowing physicians, is more of an interpersonal challenge than anything else.

Only by getting close to the practice of a field (internships, shadowing, mini-jobs like being a hospital volunteer / legal assistant /summer analyst)您能真正了解在该领域的专业人员工作的感觉吗?最终,这就是重要的。这不仅是关于您是否喜欢(还是不喜欢)在学校的主题。哎呀,很多ibankers在学生时都讨厌会计,但他们愿意把它淘汰。我有一个我喜欢的人文科学学科,但不知道如何谋生。问题是,一旦您付了会费,您实际上是否喜欢最终目标,专业的实践。

You need to get out of the classroom, get out of your head, and find the opportunity to practice doing that job while you still can.

Aug 25, 2019 - 3:23am
H13x, what's your opinion? Comment below:

What this guy said. Internships lets you get your "feet wet" without having to sink or swim in the ocean (career field) realizing its too late and you'd end up drowning.

No pain no game.

Aug 16, 2021 - 6:00am
温菲尔德, what's your opinion? Comment below:

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