门卫罢工

超过30,000名支持3,000多个以上的工人NYC豪华建筑将在其集体谈判协议到期时罢工。昨天,他们的工会32BJ-SEIU授权了将于4月21日开始的罢工。这将是自1991年以来持续12天以来的第一个工作停工。我的房东(自然地)向我保证,罢工极不可能。

I'm sure many of you have been receiving "Resident Strike Guides" from your buildings detailing the changes that would take place. Mine, in particular, consists of a more onerous entry/exit protocol, ceased package delivery, trash duties, limited guest policies, among other things.

作为一个不在乎让我开门的人,我中有一部分人欢迎罢工,只是看到一些题为jabronis的令人无法忍受在NYCyou turn into a completely ungrateful cunt?) that live in my building have to take out their trash. Package delivery and access would be annoying, but the first of allfirst world problems。我喜欢与我们的建筑团队的斗牛,他们一直对我感到不可思议,希望他们能获得可口的交易。

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11mo
Stonks1990, what's your opinion? Comment below:

I fully support the strike. Doormen inNYCand across America go through a lot of shit that most of us never think about. Standing there all day and night, dealing with drug-fueled individuals who mess with them, putting up with uppity rich tenants who find a way to complain about everything, doing the menial tasks behind the scenes that keep the building going. Putting up with that and many other things, only to have sick leave cut, healthcare benefits pushed down, and pay raises stagnated - all while dealing with inflation pushed through the roof andNYC租金激增。

I am sure there are some shitty doormen out there. However, every single time I've encountered one inNYC他们是我见过的最务实,最友好的人。他们中的许多人都超越了客户服务,您可以分辨出那些只是想做裸露的最低限度的人和实际上似乎对您他妈的的人之间的区别。许多人是努力将食物放在家庭的餐桌上,那些想要为孩子们​​过上更好生活的移民。

强制性他妈的沃纳多和相关伙伴,他们都是庞大的公司。我已经坐在桌子对面很多次,在他们的沃纳多(Vornado)收购之前,我还接受了JBG的采访。不是他们俩都拥有的新管理风格的粉丝,但这是个人偏见。希望这些门卫能得到欠的东西,即使大约60岁的家庭主妇必须真正拿出自己的该死的垃圾。

11mo
ozymandia, what's your opinion? Comment below:
Stonks1990

I fully support the strike. Doormen inNYCand across America go through a lot of shit that most of us never think about. Standing there all day and night, dealing with drug-fueled individuals who mess with them, putting up with uppity rich tenants who find a way to complain about everything, doing the menial tasks behind the scenes that keep the building going. Putting up with that and many other things, only to have sick leave cut, healthcare benefits pushed down, and pay raises stagnated - all while dealing with inflation pushed through the roof andNYC租金激增。

To be fair, doormen get very good pay and benefits, and have insane job security. Also, doormen执行您所指的许多琐碎任务,这是由搬运工和超级完成的。我支持他们的罢工权,我认为应该付钱给他们的劳动付费,但我也想纠正门卫的最低工资,没有福利的概念,并且整天都在处理毫无疑问的厕所。

I am sure there are some shitty doormen out there. However, every single time I've encountered one inNYC他们是我见过的最务实,最友好的人。他们中的许多人都超越了客户服务,您可以分辨出那些只是想做裸露的最低限度的人和实际上似乎对您他妈的的人之间的区别。许多人是努力将食物放在家庭的餐桌上,那些想要为孩子们​​过上更好生活的移民。

强制性他妈的沃纳多和相关伙伴,他们都是庞大的公司。我已经坐在桌子对面很多次,在他们的沃纳多(Vornado)收购之前,我还接受了JBG的采访。不是他们俩都拥有的新管理风格的粉丝,但这是个人偏见。希望这些门卫能得到欠的东西,即使大约60岁的家庭主妇必须真正拿出自己的该死的垃圾。

I really must not understand what's going on in hyper luxury buildings, because I have never been in a building, let alone lived in, where residents didn't take their own trash to the compactor. At the end of the day, that's barely different than your suburban subdivided homeowner taking their trash to the curb.

话虽这么说,我确实理解您对偶尔会被视为狗屎的意思。尽管这样做的人可能会像这样对待每个人,但不确定这与实际工作有关。

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11mo
匿名猴子, what's your opinion? Comment below:

"Doormen" is convenient short hand, the CBA covers doormen, porters, supers and maintenance crews. In the spirit of correcting notions, these folks don't just solely stand in front of the building and open doors.

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11mo
Stonks1990, what's your opinion? Comment below:

优点 - 感谢您的见识。[ebitdumbdumb]他想说的是他的意思 - 我或多或少地表达了所有低层建筑人员的意见和经验,覆盖了看门人的门卫。绝对知道他们没有最低工资,但是该死的似乎不是有史以来最简单的工作!只要为这些家伙来说,希望他们能从中脱颖而出。

也,你会惊讶地发现男人得离谱y people don't do the simplistic tasks such as taking their trash down the hall. It's insane, and the narcissism of many people is highlighted by how they react to seemingly menial tasks. I'm sure you've heard that many people judge others based on how they treat the janitor, the waiter, the repairman, etc. I'm definitely in that category. I'm sure a lot of people in these luxury buildings are perfectly okay with taking their own trash out (for example), but damn, we got some entitled people that would revolt about that in this world. Really shows how out-of-touch some folks are.

Again, thanks for your in-depth analysis of the subject! Enjoyed reading it.

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11mo
Stonks1990, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Chuck Rhodes just needs to stand up on top of some random dude's car on 3rd Avenue and yell“夺回我们的城市”to Related & it'll all be good. Always how it works in real life, definitely zero percent chance of it backfiring!

我在S6的EP 4上退出了数十亿美元。老实说,我做了这么久。回去showed S1&S2 W/未婚夫,对过去的表现有多大怀念。少校

11mo
清单Destiny1776, what's your opinion? Comment below:

What the fuck is a doorman? What type of backwater American thing is this? Next, you'll be telling me you still use the steam engine or horse-drawn carriages!

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11mo
Kevin25, what's your opinion? Comment below:

why are they striking? are they getting underpaid? I see all luxury buildings having crazy high monthly maintenance fees for owners, so I'm assuming these doormen are clearing 6 digits for sitting on their asses and having no real skills or knowledge.

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11mo
eloquence, what's your opinion? Comment below:

the key sticking points are healthcare and vacation/sick days

also no doorman makes anywhere near 6 figures. the current salary cap for this union is under $50k... yes you get some christmas tips but not another $50k

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11mo
匿名猴子, what's your opinion? Comment below:

嗯,您确实意识到他们正在震惊,因为他们会去reduce他们的好处,对吗?这不是要受到良好的治疗,而是要对待(可能)过得很好。

尝试跟上,好吗?

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10mo
ozymandia, what's your opinion? Comment below:
eloquence

the key sticking points are healthcare and vacation/sick days

also no doorman makes anywhere near 6 figures. the current salary cap for this union is under $50k... yes you get some christmas tips but not another $50k

Time to include some actual data.

Yes, the old rate came out to about $55,000/yr, assuming a 40 hour work week and 52 weeks a year worked. However, as you can see, this isn't the true story, since 32BJ/SIEU also negotiated a benefits package which is worth ~28,000/yr. So while take-home pay isn't much, the actual value of the employment contract is 50% higher - one of the trade offs of having the amazing benefits is that you don't get as much money in your pocket.

Moreover, as you note, tips are a thing. If you work in a 100 unit building, and each resident gives you $100, that's a cool ten grand, probably untaxed, on top of all else. Again, I'm not claiming these guys live like rock stars, but with total compensation + benefits hovering around $80,000 before tips, that's solidly middle class... and the entire point of a union is pretty much just that - ensure middle class stability for members.

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11mo
TorontoMonkey1328, what's your opinion? Comment below:

So I am a red blooded capitalist who generally despises unions. Having said that, I agree with pretty much everything above (in favor of the doormen). I'm one of the few in my building who tips my doorman well at year end as a sign of respect and gratitude, but "tips don't pay for rent, food and healthcare". Besides what was said above, I think there are a few other things worth noting:

在罢工中,所有工会员工实际上都被搞砸了:门卫(和其他雇员)在罢工期间没有得到报酬。他们可能会从罢工基金中获得一些小代币罢工(如果他们积极参与罢工,也许还有更多),但这基本上是什么。他们可以在两周后收集失业。

Also, I've never met a "decent" real estate management company. They all seem to be complete shit. The employees there are one step short of government employees - unemployable in any other field.

从更实用的角度来看,管理公司建议的一些“解决方案”很荒谬。我不是在说诸如拿出自己的垃圾之类的小事情,而是在说“在潜在的罢工期间进行回收”之类的东西听起来像老鼠和蟑螂问题,无论我们在手动之前“清洁和冲洗”它。

Also, we are supposed to be issued security badges, but given how close we are to a potential strike, no details have been shared about how and when this will happen. Given the number of buildings effected... I'm also curious where all these security guards are coming from.

虽然这并不影响我,我认为这是crazy that they can prevent move ins and outs. I kind of get it, but I'd be super pissed if I was just about to move in or out (whether renting, buying or selling). What does that mean for all those poor f'ers?

11mo
IlliniProgrammer, what's your opinion? Comment below:

我喜欢毛毛虫的一件事是,他们交叉培训经理在生产线上工作。他们过去与联盟有争议的关系,因此,当工会罢工时,卡特彼勒将生产线关闭一两天,然后让每个从事管理或工程工作的人都丢下了他们在做的事情,然后搬到工厂并承担他们指定的责任。

Because of this system, Caterpillar has better negotiating power.

如果您住在合作社或公寓建筑中,并且现在拥有自己的房屋,那么您可以完成运行建筑物的工作 - 拿出垃圾,运行东西,修理热水等大量的议价能力。而且我认为其中很多最终将取决于建筑物作为一个社区如何共同帮助彼此的方式。

I understand that a lot of people who do building work are underpaid, and that inflation is out of control. Your goal right now is to make sure that the bargaining stops at $25/hour + benefits, not $30/hour + benefits + exorbitant union dues + $50/hour for the senior guys. You want to pay building employees enough for them to be comfortable and happy and not overworked, but wages and assessments never go down either.

建筑可以demostrate解决的方式for the condo board members to lead the charge on doing work. Also, people who volunteer for responsibilities around the building should have their assessments waived (or if landlords go this route, their rent reduced).

所有这一切的美好是(我认为)减少评估和减少租金是免税的。

I understand people love the building employees. And we have a really strong labor market right now. But, if homeowners can happily run the building for 30 days, 60 days, 90 days, however long-- you guys are doing yourselves and your neighbors a huge favor, and maybe the union will soften some of its toughest demands.

Now, I am not an investment banker working 100 hours a week. I feel for all of the analysts pulling those kinds of hours AND dealing with this situation. Hopefully the banks (who have an interest in keeping inflation contained) will either protect analyst weekends a little better and encourage them to volunteer in their buildings. But for the folks who have spare time, this is an opportunity to help be a part of your building community as well.

There's a LOT of smart people here on the forums. Most people have better stuff to do than deal with condo boards, but if people get tasked with building processes and actually get to see how things work, there's also an opportunity to find efficiencies and find ways to run things better, too. If you live in a $1mm condo and can figure out a way to help the building increase its value by 5% by getting HOAs down by $100/mo, that's just as good as earning $50K at work. Better yet, it might even be tax-free.

这样的活动通常有助于测试和建立社区。

Good luck to everybody.

11mo
IlliniProgrammer, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Wall Street could actually do the condo boards a huge favor by having a policy that analysts will not be admitted to the building on Saturdays. Your badge will not work and you will not be permitted inside.

星期六,在罢工期间,在建筑物周围进行四到六个小时的工作。

If you have a STEM undergrad, and you live in a condo building or coop, try to do some work related to the water or building HVAC systems.

IfGS, 多发性硬化症,BofA等等,都聚在一起,说他们在罢工期间正在执行这项政策,并做到这一点about some ESG围绕建立社区和志愿工作的事情,并鼓励房东更好地向员工付款而不必屈服,这可能会限制工会的报复。

This country does need to do a better job of respecting hands on work and getting the basic stuff done, like food and building workers. Themerger orIPOcan wait. Having a bunch of 22-year-old analysts with HarvardEcondegrees go around the building with vacuum cleaners for six hours every weekend is going to teach some mutual respect between both Wall Street and Main Street, and might go some way towards healing the differences in our country. And I think the analysts who actually have to do this are probably going to be a bit better at working on deals when they're at the VP or MD level, especially in energy or basic materials. (That said, I'm just a dumb QR who builds statistical models rather than directly helping and advising companies).

Labor relations, commodities inputs, I think these are going to be really important themes in the经济结束the next decade or so. And I think Wall Street needs to understand what is going through the heads of the everyday working person, and how it can be a little more relatable and/or make smart investments that create opportunities for these people.

10mo
RegretMyJob, what's your opinion? Comment below:

I've never heard of any doorman innyc期望为他们带来人们的垃圾。该服务将由维护人员完成,这是完全不同的工人。

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