住家父母与双重收入家庭
Just wondering how people view the different trade-offs here. I grew up in the suburbs with a permanent stay at home mother and definitely would not trade that experience to grow up with double the income and two working parents. That said, dual income households seem to be more popular today vs. two decades ago due to a) rising cost of living and b) greater population of women in careers. However, you also have to consider that the second income is taxed at a much higher marginal rate, and that daycare + nannies are very expensive. After the taxes and extra expenses, that second income might barely be positivenet income!加上我认为有发展的好处having your children spend more time with their parents vs. in the care of non-family.
Particularly interested to hear if anyone who is currently or grew up in a dual income household feels that it's a better arrangement.
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Here's an example: if you make $250,000 and live in Bergen County, NJ, your tax rate is ~36% and your post-tax income is ~$160,000. If your spouse makes $150,000, your combined tax rate is now ~39% and your post-tax income is now ~$245,000. That means your spouse is actually making $85,000 after taxes. But you also have to factor in the extra childcare expenses which would be $0 if your spouse were staying at home. According to some quick research, the monthly cost of daycare in Bergen County is ~$1,300 per child, times twelve months equals $15,000 per year. So now your spouse's $150,000 gross income really nets out to $70,000 a year. And if you have two kids in daycare, you can knock that down to $55,000 a year.
育儿费用可扣除一定级别的税收,因此并非如此。
育儿费用可扣除,什么... $ 5K?$10k?
$1300 per month in childcare. Thats insanely cheap. Full time childcare in my area runs $2k-$2.5K per month for five days a week.
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是的,但是最后,除非她想做的事情,否则有时更多是关于激情和感觉有用/带来积极价值。't认为她会快乐..快乐的妻子幸福的生活吗?
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另一种方法是考虑更好的the kids. If you don't have kids, really hard for you to weigh in on this as you have no practical perspective. Once you become a parent, life changes. Not judging anyone here. Some take the path of "now it's time to put my own issues / wants on hold and put the kids first" while others keep themselves as primary. No right or wrongs. I was raised with a stay at home mom. We raised our kids with a stay at home mom. My wife was raised with a stay at home mom for a few yrs (until she was in school). Could we have had a more extravagant life with dual incomes? Sure. But that wasn't our priority. Quite the contrary. I did well enough (on purpose) to secure a great life without the need for a second income. We didn't go for the "keep up with the Jones' " routine when it came to fancy cars, and best of everything although we have a very nice house and took really nice trips. But typically we were last to get the iphone or new gadget, didn't join a country club, etc.
What's important is both spouses being on the same page. I would have had a problem with a wife who put her or our enjoyment ahead of the kids. That's not to say you don't enjoy things because you do. Raising kids is hard but it's also a lot of fun (or can be).
这是正确的答案,无论您和您的配偶都认为,无论您和配偶都将最有利于孩子的生活。我的妻子希望一旦生孩子就会停止工作,我们俩都乐于放弃生活中的一些奢侈品,以实现这一目标。
I've been the stay at home parent. No question it wasn't a money consideration it was what was best for my child. I have no regrets even though financially it was tough and I took a career and income hit. It's hard to know what will be best for your family until you are in the situation as I 100% planned to go right back to work but once I became a parent my priorities changed for what was best for us. So my advice is to keep an open mind but also discuss the possibilities as it was a fight between my partner and I who was going to stay home as neither one of us wanted to really halt our career. In the end- as a mother- it was me who stayed home/worked part time until my child was in school full time.
Think about this quite a bit - as of right now, definitely prefer dual income. For context, we're about 4 years out from having kids. She makes good money and will continue to increase her earnings - the lifestyle we can afford to live is vastly different based on each of our current incomes. We're talking a much nicer house, vacations, significantly more savings, etc.... roughly make $220K on a combined basis right now (with high potential to get it to ~$270k within the next 2-3 years here, tops) in a LCOL area. She never works more than 40 hours and I'm mostly 40 hours +/- depending on deal flow (wouldn't really get past 50 except maybe circumstances like last year when the debt markets were going nuts).
The thing that may change my/our minds is if I end up earning what we currently make on a combined basis by myself, which is definitely possible but unlikely within the next 4 years here. We both have very flexible jobs which makes it considerably easier... if I was working in a demanding job (such as IB), it would be a no brainer that she'd need to stay at home until the kids are in kindergarten or so.
I'm from da suburbs with a stay at home mom. Great decision - my dad worked a lot of hours growing up and it shows now as my mom is out of touch with hard work, but she did a good job of teaching me as a kid. My reading and math skills were way ahead of my age group growing up.
我从许多人那里聚集在一起,父母待在家里比从事企业工作要容易得多,但这并不意味着在养育家庭方面并不那么重要
I've been a stay at home mom and worked a corporate job. When the kids are little - no comparison- being a stay at home parent is significantly harder and all consuming.
我的妻子工作类似的工作小时恨她me, for like a quarter of my comp. That, plus the cost of childcare made it a pretty easy decision to have her stay home.
It has not been easy and I struggled with the mental flip of "no more fucking around, I'm the only way my family eats."
But it has worked and been a better move for us.
这就像每个人上面所说的几乎是矩阵。
on dual income:
- its great to bring in more income, but then you have to weigh that with home much quality time you are spending with your kids.
- 上面大约有第二个收入的数学效果,但有些人也在研究经验;意思是,即使一位父母也会在孩子育儿时休息,如果他们只是辞职,他们仍然有〜5年的经验。
- 例如,其他费用也加起来,例如,如果两者都可以使用,那么在家购物或做饭的时间更少。另外,如果您在纸上赚了25万美元,人们认为他们可以花更多的钱,这意味着节省更少。
on lifestyle:
- 每个人都想要生活方式蔓延。我会说,不要对别人判断自己,主要是因为我总是说:“他们会告诉你他们拥有的东西,而不是他们如何得到它”(继承,父母为此付出了)。我有已婚的家庭成员,工作两个工作,两个孩子,基本上是贫穷的房子,所以他们需要依靠家庭成员免费获得托儿服务。问题是,现在的东西更昂贵,但也有更多。在50年代,您每天都没有真正进行国际旅行或SBUX。
on raising kids:
- 只需弄清楚什么对您来说很重要。我妈妈待在家里,然后回到劳动力中。就像他们说的那样,孩子只有那个年龄。
- Also agree to consider what is best for the child.
Personally, I think we would have a better country if more people stayed at home with their kids, just because I feel most problems in this country (United States) are resulting of bad parenting. Then we try to make laws thataimto fix bad parenting, but laws can't fix that.
Your point about saving time for shopping and other things is so spot on. With a SAHP all the mundane shit like groceries, errands, laundry, etc. get done on a regular basis when dual income parents mostly have to do these things on the weekends. When all of these little life things are out of the way it makes weekends so much more enjoyable for the whole family, where everyone can actually be present. If you have a nanny and/or housekeeper then that obviously changes things.
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