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Really interested into commodities recently. What are some entry level roles to break into the space?
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嗨,derivativeco,whops,看起来像是没有人在这里聊天。...也许下面的讨论之一是相关的:
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OPS>风险>分析师>祈祷座位可用,有人将平底锅带到您身上>交易商品
Edit: People throwing shit at me, how tf do you think you will break into commodities without first going through Ops/Risk/Trading analyst?
非常特殊的权力,但盘中/ RT交易often open to entry level traders/grads. The pool of people willing to work night shift, weekends and holidays is small ( ironicallyIBanalysts will end up doing it anyway). But its a good route which I took as did many before me.
I got shit thrown at me the other day for saying that if you wanted to get a trading seat within the first year of starting then physical commodities aren't for you. Not sure what the deal is lately.
Really depends on companies/products they trade. Also bear in mind that at some companies the "Jr trader title" is often just a better name for "trading assistant" where you spend 75% of your time supporting the trading team on analysis, counterparts management, basic paper/physical trading and logistical work. Seen ppl being promoted to Jr trader within 1-1.5 years, seen ppl being on ops/s&d/etc 4-5 years before getting a shot at a true trading seat.
同意。但是,大多数商品场所都将经过OPS/风险/分析师路线。同时也同意很多公司将大三的交易投入到而没有带来很大风险的情况下。哎呀,我已经看到交易者的头衔被抛弃而没有太大的责任。
至少在金属/谷物/石油中,除非他们真的很棒(即使那样是一本小书),否则没有办法在2年内冒险,或者他们具有内部联系。
I think sometimes people fail to realize the Trading Route at a Bank is very different from a trading route in commodities. Unless of course trading commodities at a bank. But in that case you're mainly doing paper. And at a basic level paper is paper whether its in Oil or it is inFIVS与将物理分子从点A到点B相比或例如混合。
Yes, there are companies that offer opportunities to trade within the first year but they are the exception, not the rule. The vast majority of places out there are going to rotate you through various roles to learn the business before letting you take on any risk. The only exceptions to that that I have seen are desks where you're trading cheap commodities in such small volumes that if you fuck up you only cost the company a couple thousand bucks (soybean hulls anyone?). I don't think those seats are what the majority of people on this site are after. On top of that, even at those places that do offer roles like that, they are typically filled by someone with previous experience in a different role at the company, have a master's degree with good internship experience, etc.
I have seen one undergrad go straight into a junior trading role because some personnel issues opened up a seat, the timing was right, and management figured why not give it a go. It didn't end well.
Don't think the S&T transplants can grasp that getting opportunity to run risk isn't a given
Find a small shop and network your way in. As many can attest, this is a relationship-driven business and typically at shops w/ >35 traders you can get your foot in the door with a phone call. Work your way up to more prestigious shops from there.
Unconventional but it worked for me.
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