Engineering PhD into IB
Hey so I have been trying to gather some information on this forum regarding PhD ->IBdirection but I didn't seem to find enough good content so I decided to open a separate topic.
让我注意这仅是欧洲的观点。
My question is the following - do you have real chances of getting intoIBwithout heavy networking with an engineering PhD? Specifically German/UK PhD to get into Frankfurt/London respectively, primarily targeting eliteIB。
My situation is the following, I have just graduated from a dutch tech university but thejob market是完全摧毁,这是怀疑I will get the job I want (consulting) meaning that my chances for gettinginto topMBA后来用它来IBwill be severely diminished especially because I have even less of a shot to get into a "normal company" in the industry due to discrimination as I am not Dutch and now due to covid the job market is even worse. I can't afford to not get a great job now and only settle for average as I will never have a chance for a topMBA（我距30岁已经有几年了，也有太大的IB危险）不是正确的国籍。
On the other hand, the bar for getting a PhD isnt so high and I might have better chances there as a foreigner so I thought of using that to get intoIB，，，，especially because PhDs are viewed more strongly in a country like Germany.
问题是，要奴役额外的3年是否值得 - 无论如何，我奴役了我的二十多岁的许多人在外国人中苦苦挣扎很多（我仍然拥有欧盟公民身份，但并不容易尽管有出色的学术成绩，出色的实习等等，但西欧工作作为东欧的工作），而我觉得如果我刚去商学院获得财务硕士学位，我仍然几乎没有表现出来更好。
I am well aware of the difficulties there are inIB现在，我不在乎几个小时，正如我说的那样，我奴役了很多二十多岁，我什么也没得到回报，因为我没有去目标大学，现在covid命中了，所以它绝对是毁灭性的...我的意思是我仍然在面试有了顶级咨询公司，我有一个很好的个人资料，但是您永远不知道这将如何结果IBis something I would like to pursue and at least inIB我会奴役钱，而不是奴役毫无价值的纸质学位，而这些纸质学位由于大学的非精英排名而没有意义。
由于这些大学经常被商学院排名占领，所以我觉得工程专业的学生总是咬住棍子的末端。
无论如何，我真的很想听听您对工程博士学位的看法（是否到底有什么领域）IB从我通常看到的那样get a summer internshipand a possible return offer but I have no idea how that would work for a PhD in Europe (how much will brand of the university matter?)
Many thanks :)
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My first degree is in engineering, my second in finance. Before I did my grad studies in finance I was offered a PhD role in a leading technical EU university, but I rejected it for the finance track. The thought process was similar to yours - is it worth it to do a few more years and then look at fewer companies that hire PhDs vs. focusing on another industry and go for different roles.
在欧盟语言中，语言更加相关，并且整合外籍人士“并不像在英国或美国一样完成。”并不是说人们不好或什么都不好，但是如果您不讲语言，以某种方式行事，以某种方式进行社交，具有相同的名字或外观与他人相同的机会，那么被雇用的机会就会降低。尽管如此，NL是一个相当国际的地方，在体面的职业赛道上有很多外籍人士。
我个人认为，根据您作为博士学位或研究生研究的研究，您可能会扮演Quant角色。如果您使用一些很酷的数学模型工作或发明了新的东西，那么德国，瑞士，奥地利（仅举几例）将以非常积极的看法来看这一点。学位和头衔在某些市场和某些行业中仍然非常相关。
就业市场到处都更加棘手，因此您必须查看网络，应用程序和就业市场研究将引导您的位置。
我的堂兄是博士学位，位于法兰克福AM的MCK（机械工程博士学位）。
I think engineering PhDs can break into quant roles or tech focusedIB角色，我不确定闯入一个fo具有博士/定量/工程背景的角色。以前从未见过这样的人。
嘿！
对不起，您面临着如此紧张的情况。
From my personal experience, I have networked a bit in Europe and I haven't met a phd holder inIB。尽管这并不意味着没有。实际上，正如在这个论坛中提到的那样，博士持有人在高级角色中被高度寻求。
另外，不要担心年龄。我已经看到人们像34岁一样老了IB。
我对你的态度有两种批评你,and take it as you please from a stranger in the internet.
通过阅读您的帖子，我了解您会觉得以下内容：
"I have a great profile and just not the right nationality"
我曾在来自东欧的西欧担任非家庭工人。尽管我不称自己为成功，但我遇到了很多欧盟护照在大四巨头工作的人，IB，，，，inmanagement consulting，拥有有利可图的管理职位，同时又接近30岁。在每个国家，都有偏爱家庭民众。但是，认为您没有因为自己的国籍而没有做到这一点，从而长期伤害了您。您将责任归咎于您的情况。我礼貌地不同意这种态度。
"engineering students always bite the shit end of the stick due to those universities often overrun by business school rankings."
This comment reflects the same attitude that was described above. You believe that engineering students are being unfairly treated because of the rankings that don't make sense. If you were that good academically, you would have been able to be admitted to MIT, Cambridge, Oxford, Imperial and you wouldn't even think about business school as every one would want to hire you.
You are where you are partly because of luck and partly because of your actions
I hope you will be able to overcome this difficult situation.
只是互联网中的一个陌生人。
谢谢你的评论。
On the other hand, I strongly disagree with what you said about engineering students. You need money for MIT, Cambridge, Oxford and Imperial. Dutch tuition fee is 2000 euros, and the universities you mentioned cost significantly more, plus also more expensive to live there as well. When you come from a poor country, your academic background doesn't allow you to pursue those universities, be it due to it being unrecognized or not good enough for a scholarship. Now that I have a Dutch education, you could argue I can pursue further education at those places as PhDs are not dependent on tuition fees, but there is no way in hell I could have gone for it before. Yeah I是从学术上讲，这是一个很好的学业，因为我现在的简历上有x2暨优异。这一切都是关于排名的。
Engineers are unfairly treated. We spend way more time on education and are faced with all sorts of prejudices regarding what we cant or can do after we graduate, meanwhile all the fancy companies you listed only show up at business school recruitment events.
your comment also assumes that the people who are good academically only go to the schools you mentioned - which is a ridiculous and arrogant statement. There are tons of great schools, but they dont have the ranking you mentioned.
以及您提到的那些人，很确定99％的人有目标学校
Cool, proceed with this attitude, I just wanted to give you my 2 cents.
一切顺利。
我已经通过工程博士学位（电气工程）对IB进行了这一特定的搬迁，我知道了其他3个人。
To put it bluntly, PhD is more a hinderance than a help for traditionalIBrecruiting. You will have to recruit for an analyst level and that puts you up against fresh graduates who are perceived as being able to work long hours as they are younger, new to the work force and do not have outside commitments like a family etc. You are also going to be heavily questioned about motivations for switching so need to have demonstrated a history of interest in finance, internships and an actual passion for the industry.
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Learn moreInteresting takeaway - why wouldn't they see PhD as anMBA同等学位并雇用您在同事级别？（尤其是因为博士学位比MBA要困难得多），如果您正在获得博士学位，那么您如何展示对实习的兴趣 - 您真的不能接受实习机会吗？
在分析师级别上，让您30-31岁的工作与23岁相同的工作真是太疯狂了
The relative difficulty of a博士学位或MBAisn't a consideration when a bank wants to hire an associate. AnMBA不应该be considered a degree in isolation - in order to get one you need several years of work experience. Associates are the most junior level of managers, and when you start managing other people raw brainpower doesn't matter as much. Post-MBA associate hires usually have ~4 years of work experience in a professional environment and two years of finance related study and are rightly considered to be a better choice for a manager position in my opinion.
博士是学术界的正式培训 - 您独立从事一个利基项目3 - 5年。这与需要的技能完全不同IBfo在我的经验中。
已经完成了博士学位并咨询并改用IBDin London. Happy to share thoughts - you can PM me
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