Feb 05, 2023
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February 2023Private Equity
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The Riverside Company 99.5%
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Warburg Pincus 98.9%
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Blackstone Group 98.4%
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KKR (Kohlberg Kravis Roberts) 97.9%
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Ardian 99.5%
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The Riverside Company 98.9%
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Blackstone Group 98.4%
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KKR (Kohlberg Kravis Roberts) 97.9%
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The Riverside Company 99.5%
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Bain Capital 98.9%
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Blackstone Group 98.4%
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Warburg Pincus 97.9%
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Ardian 97.4%
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Principal (8) $676
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Vice President (84) $363
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3rd+ Year Associate (85) $276
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2nd Year Associate (192) $264
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3rd+ Year Analyst (28) $157
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Comments (76)
I know someone who went to apollo from penn state lol
ForPEor to answer the phones?
to make your mom whole
PE
Know someone who got into Apollo from a non target but worked at Goldman
Relatively low ACT for this industry. Non-Target. Not topBB。Unless you're black, latino, or a woman, Apollo orKKRare going to be very difficult. If you were at a target andwere inlevfin/sponsors at Bofa/Citi, I'd say differently. I'm not trying to be a dick. I'm telling you what is realistic and what is not. Going to or not going to Apollo orKKRwon't make or break your career and it has nothing to do with how good you are at the job, but it just isn't realistic for your background.
Why does ACT matter? by time I do recruiting that would have been 7-8+ years ago. since when islevfinBofA better than a coverage group?
I'm not saying ACT matters to me, but it matters to mostMF/UMM firms and headhunters. I guess it's supposed to demonstrate intelligence or work ethic. I have not worked at BofA butlevfinthere has consistently good UMM/MFexits.
Would it be beneficial for OP to getMBAfromtop program?
edit: deleted based on the clarification
to summarize if ur nontarget u must suffer from big dick syndrome and be able to walk methrough alboif u want to have any chance
i personally know someone at apolloPEwho came from Citi/Bofa, but he was at a semi-target
That person was inlevfinwhich I recommended above.
为什么这个家伙的女士吗?他仅仅是现实的
overstated optimism gives false hope
People are ignoring the fact that last oncycle apollo gave 6 offers to PJTRX(5 were accepted I believe), 2 from EVRRX, and 2 diversity from EVR M&A. But of course the non-target citi banker has a great chance at Apollo and to say otherwise is rude and wrong! I'm just trying to be honest and I think it's better to tell the truth rather than get someone's hopes up falsely. OP is in a great spot for recruiting for mostPEfirms including really great UMMs but Apollo is not going to happen.
You should be fine. Your school should not hold you back. You're at aBBdoing banking so have proven yourself. Most ppl onwsohave no idea what is going on, so I wouldn't let these silly posters discourage you.
EDIT: Who the fuck is giving me MS? I am a formerMFguy so I know what I am saying here.
Op here. +1 SB. Appreciate it. Any idea who the headhunters are forMFs?
I didPEat aMFin London. Different recruiters. But most of my buddies didPEatMFinNY。We were all non target graduates (liberal art college graduates)
Back then from what I recall theMFrecruiters in the US were Henkel,amity, SG, and oxy moron something. I don't know how these names have changed since then. It's been 9 years
Ratio for Apollo I believe,CPIfor other mFs and etc
I've had mixed success withWinston Roark
Imnt OP but since you are a formerMFguy can I PM You, I have the same question as OP but wanted to provide you more background info to get your thoughts
You're fine. The more work experience you have the less your school matters. What matters is deal experience and complexity.
我知道一个guy at Apollo who was as non-target as it gets but hewas at PJT
ahah just when i thought i had some hope, then u said "PJT"
i personally know someone at apolloPEwho came from Citi/Bofa, but he was at a semi-target
There'spartners at Centerviewthat went to ok schools - at least one, prolly more I don't spend time physically looking everyone up on Linkedin. I don't think it matters if you show up, consistent, smart, trusted all those qualities.Moelis has seniorpeople from regular schools. I haven't found any non traditionals atPWPbut there may be a few. I know these areEBand Apollo is private equity but just in general not focusing on the school you have a chance prolly for Apollo andKKRif I had to guess.
I don't think being from a non-target school will be your problem. The problem is your bank tbh. Apollo's most recent generalist class for S'24 is 5 PJT and 4 EVR (I heard about 1LazardRXkid potentially but idk if true). I know 2 of the EVR kids areRXand the other 2 are M&A, but those M&A kids are URM. Not to say it's impossible but stats don't weigh in your favor realistically.
Biggest tip I can give is you need to make it in front of Ratio's co-heads (MHB and VQ) and they have to love you or else they're not putting you in front of their #1 client. They are likely your biggest initial hurdle.
Also, assuming that you're going to spend a 3rd year and recruit for S'25, I imagine they're going to want you to have some solidRXdeal exposure.
Why theRXfocus? Also I thought EVR was generalist
Apollo deals usually deal with a ton of debt / distressed / complex situations, which translates intoRXexperience being highly valued. Apollo is NOT a typicalPEbuyout fund by any means. During my interview with them during on cycle, I got absolutely grilled with credit investing technicals lol.
Also, EVR M&AFThasn't been generalist for like 3 years, andRXis an entirely separate hiring process.
What aboutJPM/GSat a mid tier coverage group but with non target background
Also curious
It's really hard to say. All depends on if you can get traction with Ratio
do you know how many of the 5 PJT are from RSSG vs M&A?
Not sure, but I wouldn't be surprised if they were mostlyRX。They have taken M&A ppl in the last though.
i personally know someone at apolloPEwho came from Citi/Bofa, but he was at a semi-target
i personally know someone at apolloPEwho came from Citi/Bofa, but he was at a semi-target
The real question is you came to those 2PEshops by any metric other than "wso prestige ranking".
You wouldn't take anoffer from Blackstone?Or Warburg?
AnyMFor even UMM is insanely difficult to land a job at. I'm at a UMM now (ignoreWSOtitle) and there's resumes that we don't even interview that come from HYP ->GS/MS/JPM。There's just so many qualified candidates and so few seats.
If you want a big fund, that's understandable and there's probably ~25 funds that are relatively comparable. Maybe 10 are true "MFs" but I promise it's not a meaningful difference. But you can't just pick two of the most selective seats in all of finance and be like "can I get these" when the kid with a 4.0 from Harvard at PJT can't even count on an Apollo offer.
Don't know why you got ms, that's straight fax
Spot on. Also,KKRand APO could not be more different from one another besides beingMF/prestigious. At one, you'd be recruiting for generalist "buyout" with a heavy flavor for credit, and another you'd recruit for as an industry specialist focused on more traditional buyout. The experiences would not be remotely similar.
Yup, and the headhunter will see through this. I remember my intro call with Ratio I talked about how I wanted buyoutPEand rattled off a few names that fit my interests from their client list. I included Apollo and she cut me off and was like "how does Apollo fit this list at all". I did not get an Apollo look (lol)
RT - at UMM as well. Saw a resume with perfect SAT and SAT IIs across the board they didn't get an interview. The comments on low ACT made me laugh. So much more to the equation. AllPEseats are hard to get so setting goal to a specific APO/BX/ H&F /LGP/Other Fund most can name is a good way to feel disappointed after getting an objectively great job at anyPEshop. Theeconomics work wellat any scale. If you want to buy a mega yacht, you'll need to found your own or be a top 1-2 person at a massive fund which is so unlikely even if you are worlds greatest ASO/VP.
People really be optimizing their careers for mega yacht or bust these days
seen some non-targets at Apollo LA. Lot of semi targets too. Main target is Wharton (~50%) but at least in LA apollo seems more diverse in terms of school representation
My question is why anyone would want to work at Apollo. Everyone who I've met who works there seems miserable. And I don't mean relative to "lifestyleLMM" funds, I mean relative to otherMFs。
I think amongstMFs, apollo is one of the shops that cares somewhat less about school etc. But as others have said, your bank is going to be your biggest hurdle. Apollo favors boutiques over bulges, especially the 1b bulges like BofA / Citi. It is theoretically possible but your odds aren't great if that's the type of answer you're looking for. I know someone who did get it from a worse bank and non target, but he was also insanely talented and you would recognize it quickly (I don't say that much in this industry, most of us are not that special).
more generally, why Apollo? Seems a bit myopic. It's one fund, and recruiting is so difficult to predict. Even if you were top of your class at HYS atGS/EVR/wherever, I'd tell you that targeting a single mega fund is sorta silly. Most of them are relatively similar, and very few people get more than a couple ofMFoffers. Apollo is notoriously awful to work at as well.
if I were you, I'd reframe the Q to: can I get a mega fund? The answer is definitely yes. Just work the process hard, prep, and get rid of the attitude that some single fund is some special object.
i personally know someone at apolloPEwho came from Citi/Bofa, but he was at a semi-target
I don't think your mediocre college resume matters as much as your current role, which is decent.
So to answer your vague and nebulous question, yes it's possible.And just fyi, the longer you are removed from college, the less people care.
In fact, never once in my life, during an interview, has anyone commented, praised or even cared I went to an Ivy undergrad ormba。They only care where I worked and what I am doing in my current role.
There are UT Austin and A&M grads at apollo. Pretty much says it all. Don't believe the hype
lol those are good schools
With acceptance rates between 30-60%. They are fine, they are not even close to great.
VP at my firm (REPE firm$40BAUM) was previously at Apollo as an associate for a few years. Prior to that he was doingIBat Citi/Bofa/Wells and went to Boston University/Boston College/Northeastern/Tufts
In the process of preparing my resume to apply to Apollo-- any suggestions of how to get in the firm for a nonPErole?
howd he get in?
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