经过将近一年的这份工作，我唯一可以肯定地想到的是，我将有0个机会，我会长期做这件事，我正在积极寻求离开。话虽如此，这使我真的不再关心拥有完美的工作产品。不要误会我的意思，我并没有完全没有用，但是我说，我从给予100％到给70％的人，这使我的生活变得更加轻松，压力更少。我意识到，随着我小组的失误，没有人被解雇。即使我被解雇，也很棒。我无论如何要离开。其他人有类似的思考过程吗？如果我得到底部水桶，我真的不在乎，我不需要钱
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This is just a hot take, but you should be sitting somewhere in the Middle bucket if you can output good work product and keep your head down (aka don't be a kiss ass and actively seek out work) and I believe that this is the magic spot where you maximize compensation for effort.
我想这样做，但是我也有大量的学生债务，我的公司给予了巨大的奖金。由于这个原因，我觉得我应该为顶级水桶开枪，但我没有亲吻屁股，也不想破坏我与家人，朋友，gf的关系
也许可以旋转这篇文章。它可能会为您提供一些好的技巧。它划分了顶部和中间水桶分析师。我要说的是，额外的顶级奖金看起来不错，但是如果您不耗尽倦怠，则可以将职业生涯延长几年，但可以放在水桶中。
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Same. Also with how much we are understaffed, feel pretty secure with job. (Fingers crossed)
100％感到这一点并同意这一点。拧这项工作
This is the way
solid mandalorian reference
yeah i'm not giving much of a fuck either
yup same
Any tips for learning how to let go and not care so much? I think a large part of how I ended up at this job was because I cared so much about doing well.
在我意识到我是将100％还是50％投射给投影之前，我也是如此，它仍然会显示出相同的结果，并且MD /客户的客户仍将得到他们想要的东西。我认为您只需要意识到，您是唯一注意到您投入的额外努力的人，尤其是在您在家工作的情况下。
一旦您开始面临过多关心的后果，例如健康问题，您就会学会更少的护理。
Here's one, which I'd only recommend if you want to end up in the middle (i.e. you don't want to get fired but you also don't want top bucket / associate promotion): Do as much of your financial analysis as possible with a "quick and dirty" methodology. It pains me to think of all the option tranches I broke out to calculate the exact share count / market cap, revenue weighted DSOs and similarly irrelevant cash flow calculations, hours spent getting abalance sheet为了平衡0.0001％的平衡，没有人关心的无数其他细节，而实际上，地球上的灵魂并不是一个错误的人，而无需挖掘备份。
Quick and dirty analysis (done right) will get you top bucket. Learn to prioritize what's important
"it is better to be roughly right than precisely wrong." - some boomer.
另外，您可以在一个真正重要的时候在公平委员会中做到这一点……但否则用说明性标签击中了它，并将其称为一天。
我已经看到中间水桶获得了助理促销。它可能还不是早，但中间水桶可以得到推广。
100% in the same boat here.
“市场可以保持不理性的时间比保持溶剂的时间更长。”
Same here, I'd rather get an extra couple hours sleep a night and live for an extra 10 years opposed to having some extra cash
是的，积极寻找出口，对我所做的工作并不关心。
这就是所有分析师都应该弄清楚的。我推出了一个不错的工作产品，但我不强调错误，时间表或类似的东西。同时，我在这份工作中有朋友，他们正在撕开头发并不断吓坏了。当大声说出来时，这听起来很愚蠢，但是我对他们的建议只是在乎。这不一定等同于工作不良的产品，只需尽力而为的人。
I know this is about people working inIB,但我觉得这as a college student as well. I used to genuinely enjoy learning for the sake of learning. At this point I don't give a shit about any of my classes. Lockdowns and Zoom University have made this an utterly demoralizing year. I can't imagine what you guys must be facing.
Edit: Sorry if I offended you guys. Just thought college students on this forum could relate to this.
>我知道这是关于在IB工作的人，但我也认为这是一名大学生。
孩子，他妈的
Alright man, sorry. I just thought some college students on here could have related. I even added, " I can't imagine what you guys must be facing," so I'm not trying to undermine all of your suffering. Sorry for hijacking the thread I guess, should've made a new one strictly about college.
No offense but if you can't put up with the mind numbingly boring zoom classes with 0 real stress you're probably fucked forIB。
I'm not stressed. I'm just unmotivated to do anything because of how mind numbingly boring everything is. That being said, I've lost interest inIB。I'm going for tech now.
不在乎中间的水桶是可以的，但是TBH多年来，我们所拥有的分析师太聪明了，并采取了轻松的道路，最终在下一份工作中陷入困境。如果您想去一些较慢 /较低的薪水工作，那很好。但是，如果您认为您可以采取自己的不在乎的态度，并在竞争激烈的情况下取得成功PE/HFor evencorporate scene where competition might be fierce, you won't do too well. It's true pre or post COVID. No one wants a 70% effort guy and if you can't push now, you won't later.
There's a difference between burning yourself out a coverage account because your MD/partners are trying to stuff a thousand decks a year down a client's throat and knowing when it's time to grind for something that really matters. I would argue that knowing how to differentiate between those two is what actually makes a good analyst, because the less time you spend on doing bullshit things, the more time you can actually allocate to the things that matter.
That said, there is some value in doing those bullshit things your first year on the job for reps, so you know what is worth half-assing and what needs more focus.
Hard to believe - but as a first year you don't really know what matters or not. Coverage is painful and sometimes excessive but there are lot of side calls / texts or contexts you aren't aware of. There are 20 other banks competing for same business - from $20mmEBITDAto hugeones. If you are just going to chill at golf club for 5 years until client needs to do one deal, you surely won't be remembered when that day finally comes. Tbh the actual deal execution is pretty simple. VP and below and do 99%. It's winning the mandate with years of work and reputation for good work that's hard. But as a first year you have no idea and think all that matters is doing你的小companddcffor a fairness, run VDR and push out a deal announcement.
My first comment was more in relation to making sure you step on the gas at the appropriate times in your career. Making sure one model is better than finding 10 different projects to throw shit at all the time.
oP here - I have a side business I started in college that nets me 120k a year with almost no work (less than 10hrs a week to maintain). uncreative, risk averse people like you seem to think the only way to make money is to be miserable grinding away for someone else.
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There's also a difference between spending 80-100 hrs per week doing some bullshit inIBwhere intellectual creativity is (generally speaking) not rewarded at the analyst level (i.e. your super creative/insightful analysis means very little/nothing for the deal) and doing it at aHF增加创造力或独特见解的地方可能是损失和赚取数百万美元之间的区别。
PEis probably more similar toIBin this sense, as a 1st year associate is unlikely to add any significant amounts of value to a deal.
我每周工作80-100个小时，不是因为我必须（我可以减少得多），而是因为我实际上热爱自己的工作，并且努力/创造力在投入和输出之间存在直接关系。
如果你进去IB，情况可能不是这种情况，也可能不那么激励。我知道我个人不太有动力去做废话任务，而不是研究投资论文（不仅在小时数方面，而且是真正的努力/创造力）。
我认为这与WFH环境有关。在大流行之前，您从未见过这样的帖子WSO。Lately I've been seeing a lot of people ranting about how they want to put in X% less effort into their work simply because they can. You don't have someone looking over your shoulder or walking past you in the office. You can take your sweet time with turns for that reason. I, myself, fall into this category. I started a new position not too long ago and was eager to learn, work hard, and be the best I could be until I realized WFH is a joke.
当时有很多人有机会查找时，他们不确定自己在哪里。
yup same boat
I am seriously reconsidering options and i just started this year as a first year
去年我自杀，在分析师课上获得最低的奖金。这是不值得的。现在，我正在花时间以自己的节奏进行面试和工作。我团队的一半已经离开。有时我希望他们解雇我，所以一切都结束了。只需竭尽全力，如果您不喜欢去其他地方的地方。只是知道，任何时候都不在乎您。我们是如此替代。
Time to do the minimum and just find an exit opp.
刚刚发现我的整个高级团队都被另一家银行偷猎。人力资源部告诉大三学生他们的工作没有危险，但您认为他们会雇用MD，还是我们的小组为之完成？这是我辞职的机会吗IB完全？
这是一个巨魔吗？哈哈
What group is this? The current bank may re-allocate a few of you, but the rest may likely get downsized.
开始寻找其他地方 /与离开的MD，看看是否有人会带您。
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