WhichBB's and EB's have the longest hours (not necessarily the worst culture) in NYC? We all know the obvious ones inGSand Moelis, but which others? I heardEBare generally longer thanBBis this true? Thanks all!
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Bump
Everything is team dependent
Yeah but some banks have a higher baseline than others, ie Moelis,GS。
Eg in Europe some banks are famous to be particularly sweaty / have bad culture across the board likeRothschild，巴黎的拉扎德。
一种lso some industry boutiques like Liontree or Arma probably have less differences across teams (if any teams)
Ducera has the worst hours by a landslide... never met more overworked juniors and seen more heavy churn as they have. The other larger firms are team dependent.
Can second this, one of my friends lasted 5 months at Ducera before lateraling to a sweaty MS group, and by the way he talks about how his life is at MS now compared to Ducera you'd think he was released from jail.
每周几个小时？
一种
Not about hours specifically, but anecdotally, on a networking call, the analyst did tell me about yourself then started lightly grilling me on a restructuring deal i had followed. He ultimately decided it wasn't hairy enough to probe more and then let me ask a few questions lol
can second, had similar experience
Some poster here stated Raine was significantly sweatier than MoelisNY。
hahahahahhahahaha not true
I'm not that poster but anyone who says Raine isn't unbelievable sweaty is very wrong. Multiple friends have interned/work there and they have never gotten off before 2/3am even before COVID.
That's what I assumed too.
英尺Partners
lmfao i worked atftpartners this last summer, firm is unreasonably understaffed. 100+ hour weeks for the interns
该死的真的吗?我几乎把报价从他们next summer but luckily some better banks came through. They look like they're solid in their space, but the culture/hour issues make it look like it parallels BGL, even though FTP is a way better firm. And was thisNYCoffice? U get a return that you're taking or you looking for different place for FT? Laterals within banking look pretty strong from FTP though. Someone went toEvercoreafter theirSArole and 2 people have went toJ.P摩根during their analyst stint.
我也在那里。几个小时不是开玩笑。所有实习生都始终如一地拉出100多次。
This is the same company that instead of giving bonuses when they had a good year they gave all the analysts metal coins with the CEOs face on it. Not surprised its a sweatshop
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很多将取决于小组。一些老年人只是混蛋，不在乎他们的团队的健康。
一种necdotally have heard some bad things aboutJefferies总体而言。
编辑：也没有one mentioned Lazardyet?
What are the anecdotes you've heard about Jefferies? (did not throw the MS)
Not OP but worked at Jefferies before lateraling to anEB，可以为那里的文化增添一些颜色。Jefferies具有像Moelis这样的老式DLJ风格的文化，MDS绝对追求一切，这在初中的时间里很艰难。我想说的是，在交易流程方面，所有最好的小组在Jefferies中都很满意，这通常会额外转化为额外的小时。但是，从文化角度来看，我绝对喜欢在杰弗里斯（Jefferies）的时光EB。The culture at the junior level is definitely very collegial and is more "fratty" than theEB我现在在哪里，结果使牛棚在深夜变得更加容忍。老年人大多是很好的，有几个坏苹果雨养者稀释了文化，但我想说这在整个街上可能很普遍，因为EBI'm at also has a handful of toxic MDs that ruin a mostly good culture.
Second this, many stories here and there and haven't heard a bank that's more shady in general. (Not sure how they do that for almost every group)
NotNYCbut heard Evercore Houston is pretty bad
Hours are very bad. Very solid group but know a ton of smart people who don't even apply there because of how bad the WLB is, especially relative to other Houston banks.
Heard all of their 2nd year analysts just quit ?
Greentech Capital（Nomura Greentech）-super strong junior culture, but the hours can be hell (months of 100-110+ weeks)
Source: used to be an employee
Ubs was basically100 hr weeks all past year. Hell. Everyone left.
Do you know which groups? Can you PM me?
一种LL!
Did your group buy lube for you, for every week you got fucked?
Houlihan Lokey'sRXis insane with it pushing 120 hours depending on deal flow... And deal flow is always insanely high.
一种lthough they do get 75 dollars for dinner though so it's worth it
can confirm it was nothing remotely close to that this summer. I also know that EVRrxis generally morehours thanhl。
去年我采访时，这些家伙每周投入约110。说凌晨3-4点通常是在他们下车时（他们在凌晨3点安排采访）。虽然很酷的团队。
No amount of dinner expense makes those kind of hours worth it..
I don't believe it. 120h is 9-3am Mon-Friday + 9-12 weekends. If this is average nobody would stay there more than 2 months
There's no way you're an analyst if you don't believe that. There are decent number of groups that have hours like that. My group is basically 9-1 M-F, and 12 hours/day on weekends and we're not even considered sweaty.
Sorry you got rejected bud
我听说过非常不成比例的horror storiesabout JEF Houston
The hours are definitely on the upper end of Wall Street at Jefferies Houston but they have definitely taken steps to counter that. Increased the analysts class sizes by a good bit (I think right now it's around 15) and also Saturdays are somewhat protected. You still work if there are live deals (which there's a lot of those going on right now in the group given how hot the A&D market is) but there are still some Saturdays where one doesn't work. Also I think the biggest thing has been the lack of a face time culture. The hours are a direct result of live work and the analysts aren't expected to start early in the morning after having a late day and also don't have to stay up very late just for face time, unlike other banks.
This obviously isn't to say the hours are like 80 hours (definitely push the upper end) but things have improved than what they were a couple of years ago.
The A&D market is hot?
Heard crazy stories about comp at JEF Houston - AN1s pushing 250-300+? This true or just rumours lol
一种ny info on hours at PJT/CVP?
Great hours at CVP. Account based staffing means its variable based on what you're staffed on.
CVP 2A here, hours vary wildly based on the office.NYC根据您的帐户的不同，SF往往有合理的时间，因为技术非常忙碌，并且他们最近有很多员工，因此Palo Alto在100多个小时的时间内进行了计时。
总体上不恐怖NYC但是在帕洛阿尔托真的很烦恼
Tbh half the people I networked with at CVPNYCsounded like dead robots so not sure if it was just tough weeks all around or if the culture isn't as great as people say it is
How does this compare to other EBs? U talk to anyone?
How about groups at MS?
Hours at GS?TMT/FIGspecifically
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lol damn, you asked aboutGSTMTand FIG? Basically their most legendarily sweaty groups, haha.
GuggenheimTMT, Industrials and HC Services has been pretty bad from what I've heard.
Gugg HC服manbetx 2.0下载务是一个古拉格。Medtech/Biopharma更文明
一种re you at Gugg? or just heard from someone else?
How'sNYCpower or Houston energy?
没有看到休斯顿做很多事情，所以猜测它很舒适
J.PMdi/Transpo gets tough, HC Services too.
Friends on the street tell me it is Evercore
Can confirm. Evercore hours smoked me
what groups?
虽然很容易钉在广义上，但现实是总是按小组进行的。您可以在MS的一个相对非汗水组中加入，但也可以在MS的一个小组中，这使您考虑到为什么您认为自己值得对家人一毛钱。直到您深入研究他们的小组，才能以这种方式查看银行。显然，当每个人都是通才的时候，但至少对于大型银行来说，这是一个开始缩减文化的开始。
Greentech (now Nomura Greentech) - has to be at least top 5. Might be hearsay but about ~50% turnover in 2021 across all levels and offices
在银行的Corp Dev中有任何想法吗？看到可能如何与前银行家堆叠在一起，比其他公司角色更粗糙？
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Why would a bank have a separate in-house M&A team when they have hundreds of M&A bankers on staff? CorpDev at a bank is definitely more of a strategy / COO role.
How are Moelis LA lads doing these days?
Bump, curious to know
Minneapolis groups in general have been brutal this past year as filling junior positions is an extreme challenge. Piper Sandler medtech has had some horror stories, and at my bank our headcount has cut in half despite volume increasing substantially.
Sounds like paradise.
can anyone give insight on svb's hours?
一种lso curious. Also, if anyone knows if Boston orNYis sweatier would be helpful.
HL
HLin D.C. putting in 100+ hours per week on a regular basis. Coming from a friend working in A&D M&A.
-UBSTMT（（& basically every other group in the bank lol)
-J.PMdi
-J.PMHC服manbetx 2.0下载务
-J.PMFIG（（Brutal)
-Barc Industrials
-GSTMT
-GSFIG
-EVR Houston
-Jefferies Energy
-英尺Partners
-Ducera
Good list so far. A few to add.
Qatalyst
HLRX
EVRRX
CitiHouston
EVRRXin a recession you mean?
Ubs has been really bad
感觉就像Qatalyst支付,他们存在ntially compensating you for overtime.
PJT / PWP / MOE are brutal.
Isn't PJT only brutal for restructuring? and this s the first time I'm hearing PWP is sweaty
Pjt
M&A mainly
PWP has been really sweaty since covid from conversations with two analysts that left this summer to buy side. Culture still solid but tough hours
Can anyone expand on PWP
Tobin & Co. Any bank paying interns $0 should expect that having them work anything above 0 hours per week is brutal.
The reality is that any group that is lean and has high deal flow is going to be sweaty. You'll get great experience, learn a lot, and get a ton of reps, but comes at a cost.
一种lso, at some places you can kinda cruise by and "hide" in the crowd if you avoid being proactive and try to avoid staffings (had a friend do this at moelis)
Evercore
Which groups?
科技/金融科技，媒体，在休斯顿电信的能源。基本上，除了HC以外的所有人都没有并购交易。
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