Why corporate banking instead of investment banking?

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What Do Corporate Bankers Do? - Corporate Banking Definition

It is the corporate banker's job to get secure financing for clients.

mlamb93 - Investment Banking Associate:
You're generally working with a syndicate of lenders arranging revolvers and first lien term loans for large-cap companies. (This can be for M+A deals, new capital raises, or refinancings.) It's pure credit/capital structure analysis.

As an analyst, you won't be the one engaging in securing these funds.

IBBD:
I'm a first year analyst in CB. I'm not sure how Citi structures their CB department, but as a first year analyst, you'd be focusing more on underwriting transactions and monitoring the debt portfolio rather than schmoozing clients. A first year analyst would have no idea how to approach a client and present a cross-sell idea.

Why Corporate Banking?

This question comes up at every interview. One thingnotto do is say you want something similar to investment banking but with a better lifestyle. The two are similar but different, so it demonstrates a lack of knowledge. There are many different ways to go about answering this question. What you want to do is focus on the functions of the job.

Here are two aspects of CB you can incorporate into your answer.

datphukinnewb - Investment Banking Analyst:
  1. Underwriting/portfolio management aspect: Transaction-based while being unique relative to IB in that your firm is assuming the risk. You are interested in lending and actually taking a position rather than just advising companies or syndicating shares with no skin in the game
  2. Credit mindset: You like to focus more on reducing risk and preventing downside rather than valuing companies based on a wide variety of variables and being upside focused (as IB involves valuation work). You are interested in the wide variety of different loan financing products that are used ranging from revolvers, term loans, etc., and how businesses use them. In many corporate/commercial banks, there is a credit training program that analysts go through so you can emphasize the training, too.

Freshprincedot6:
  1. Scope for a longer term career (less turnover/ no "2 and O" culture).
  2. 开发一种从根本上理解业务以建立长期关系的能力(不像IB那样集中的交易)。
  3. The ability to have "skin in the game". (Typically, you'll be underwriting loans/credit, so you'll need to be responsible and accountable as it's the bank's money you're committing - maybe speaking to having more responsibility at a young age, etc.)

Ultimately, we believe in avoiding the comparisons to investment banking on this one. Keep the focus on CB, and tie it into one or two of the specific functions of the job mentioned above.

Salary and Hours in Corp Banking

没有明确的赔偿范围等is for investment banking. For base pay, analysts earn around what investment banking analysts earn. The variance comes at the bonus, which depends on firm, location, and group performance. The range for analysts is $65-90k all in. Expect those numbers to increase at least 10k per year, and even more than that after a few years due to increased bonuses at the associate level.

Expect to put in 50 to 65 hours most weeks. During deal weeks, expect more.

Retail vs. Corporate Banking - What's the Difference?

Many get retail banking and CB confused. Retail banking is what you see when you stop by your local bank to make a deposit. It deals with people. CB deals with corporate clientele. Retail banking offer services including mortgages, credit, and checking. It offers services including business loans, commercial real estate, and cash management.

CB Internship Experience

CB is great as an internship. If you're looking to do pursue a career in the field, then this is exactly the internship you need.

If you're looking to do investment banking, then CB is still a good option - as long as it's before your junior year since that's when you need to secure an investment banking summer analyst position. The only internship that beats a CB internship after sophomore year is an investment banking internship, and the only realistic way you're getting that is if you're a diversity candidate or land a position at a boutique.

那么,您如何确保实习呢?大多数人都是通过网络确保的,但是您可能会发现一些公司在校园里招募,因此请保持眼睛剥落。

Interview Prep for Corporate Banking

Interview prep for CB is similar to investment banking, but there are differences to study for. Here are a couple of things to know from @TNA".

TNA:
I'd know credit basics, know how ABL [asset-based lending] revolvers work, try and find out the space the bank you are interviewing for operates in. Stuff like that.

intlbanker153 - Investment Banking Analyst:
I was in your shoes a while back and the IB prep was pretty useful. As IBBD mentioned, you take on a buy-side mindset. With that in mind, you should know your typical sources of repayment (refinance on a unsecured/secured basis, sale borrowing base assets, cash flow from ops, etc) and key credit risks.

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Interested in Investment Banking - Breaking In

The fact of the matter is you won't improve unless you practice. To have any chance at the technical questions, you need to prepare yourself with legitimate questions. The WallStreetOasis investment banking interview course is designed by countless professionals with real world experience, tailored to help you break into investment banking by acing the technical questions.

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Comments (42)

Jan 14, 2014 - 10:18pm

Technical questions will not deviate all that far from manySAbasics. Will sprinkle in debt focus on "creditworthiness". What's makes a good borrower? (collateral, cash flow, etc.) Questions around what would reduce/increase risk in lending situations. May get into borrowing base, working capital, cash flow related questions, and that would be extremely technical for a college interview.

As for "why corporate banking" you need to fully contemplate the DIFFERENCES betweenIBand CB and then if you really want to do this, come up with why fueling the activities of companies (acquisitions, capex, special projects, short term capital) is more appealing than the headliner events of advising on M&A or sellouts/buyouts.

免责声明:不是在CB中,而是想在那里过渡,所以问自己一样吗?

"We're not lawyers, we're investment bankers. We call you for the paperwork. We didn't go to Harvard, we went to Wharton, and we saw you coming a mile away."
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Jan 14, 2014 - 10:30pm

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that corporate banking focuses a lot more on the relationship aspect. ie. the company you're covering wants to raise X amount to finance a new building -> go to corporate banker -> corporate banker connects them with appropriate team. Think it might be a good idea to talk about how you like making relationships and helping clients achieve their goals as well as working with various business groups within the bank.

That's really high level..but hope it helps.

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Jan 19, 2014 - 12:25pm

explosions09:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that corporate banking focuses a lot more on the relationship aspect. ie. the company you're covering wants to raise X amount to finance a new building -> go to corporate banker -> corporate banker connects them with appropriate team. Think it might be a good idea to talk about how you like making relationships and helping clients achieve their goals as well as working with various business groups within the bank.

That's really high level..but hope it helps.

+1

Haters gonna hate

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Jan 14, 2014 - 11:19pm

Haha you won't be handling any relationships as an analyst trust me. When you think of corporate banking just think of the "revolver" on the balance sheet. That's pretty much the portion of theBSthat the corporate banking department is in charge of.

Apr 13, 2020 - 12:06pm

monkeyleverage:

Haha you won't be handling any relationships as an analyst trust me. When you think of corporate banking just think of the "revolver" on the balance sheet. That's pretty much the portion of theBSthat the corporate banking department is in charge of.

Jan 14, 2014 - 11:22pm

There is a wide range of corporate banking roles, but my understanding of it is that it comes down to where the money originates from.IBmeans any funds will come client side and external to the bank, whereas corporate banking will handle funds from the firms own balance sheet. The upshot is that there is a great deal more emphasis of risk management and credit analysis.

I'm no corporate banker, so please correct me if someone is in a better position to comment.

Jan 14, 2014 - 11:26pm

Different banks run their CB groups differently. One place might have you doing borrowing bases for an ABL, other places might be providing more senior term loans.JPMCorp banking will be different than say PNC Corp banking. Think different levels of sophistication, etc.

I'd know credit basics, know how ABL revolvers work, try and find out the space the bank you are interviewing for operates in. Stuff like that.

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2014年1月14日 - 11:28 pm

I'm a first year analyst in corporate banking. I'm not sure how Citi structures their CB department but as a first year analyst, you'd be focusing more on underwriting transactions and monitoring the debt portfolio rather than schmoozing clients. A first year analyst would have no idea how to approach a client and present a cross-sell idea.

With that being said, the one aspect that may make CB more appealing thanIBis that you kind of take on a buy-side mindset when you underwrite transactions. Your underwriting credit memo will act as sort of an investment thesis as to why the bank should (or should not) give this company money. And the risk is real. If the company goes under then the bank loses millions of dollars. But, of course, it's not as risky as private equity since you're usually taking on a senior position in the capital structure and you normally deal with investment grade rated companies. It's just one interesting argument you can make in your interview. Before the monkey shit comes, I have to say that I'm not saying or endorsing that CB is better than IB; this is just something that's different fromIB并可能诱使某人。

Jan 16, 2014 - 6:42pm

IBBD:

I'm a first year analyst in corporate banking. I'm not sure how Citi structures their CB department but as a first year analyst, you'd be focusing more on underwriting transactions and monitoring the debt portfolio rather than schmoozing clients. A first year analyst would have no idea how to approach a client and present a cross-sell idea.

With that being said, the one aspect that may make CB more appealing thanIBis that you kind of take on a buy-side mindset when you underwrite transactions. Your underwriting credit memo will act as sort of an investment thesis as to why the bank should (or should not) give this company money. And the risk is real. If the company goes under then the bank loses millions of dollars. But, of course, it's not as risky as private equity since you're usually taking on a senior position in the capital structure and you normally deal with investment grade rated companies. It's just one interesting argument you can make in your interview. Before the monkey shit comes, I have to say that I'm not saying or endorsing that CB is better than IB; this is just something that's different fromIB并可能诱使某人。

Who the fuck gave this kid monkey shit?
Jan 20, 2014 - 11:38am

Pretty solid response. For corporate banking, you will most likely deal with revolvers, term loans, bridge financing, etc, which will most likely be all senior secured/unsecured.

@"papermachine" I was in your shoes a while back and theIB准备是非常有用的。@“智能楼宇”所提到的,你take on a buy-side mindset. With that in mind, you should know your typical sources of repayment (refinance on a unsecured/secured basis, sale borrowing base assets, cash flow from ops, etc) and key credit risks. PM me if you have any specific questions.

Jan 17, 2014 - 1:09pm

I'm an analyst in Corporate and Commercial Banking. It is a super regional bank in the U.S but has a huge Europe and South American presence. What everyone has said is more or less correct. In my group bigger deals actually require less analysis and work as they are usually syndicated, which is less work because you take it or leave it as is. Commercial and middle market banking is a great place to learn and get credit analysis experience. It is very different from the corporate finance topics you see onWSO。它不会为你提供技术技能orIBbut you will most likely still learn a lot. You won't be dealing with relationships. Typically lenders and team leads deal with 98% of client interaction. You can PM me if you have more questions.

Jan 17, 2014 - 9:51pm

Corp banking over IBD:
1. Long term career potential - not much of an "up and out" culture like inIBD。As long as you are competent you can move into an associate role after your 3rd year in most places, you won't need to go back for anMBAto advance. Also to get from associate to VP in the credit path you won't need to be able to generate business to move up as you would inIBD

2. Better hours / work life balance

3. You manage risk if that is something you are interested in, the spread on senior bank debt is low so you need to be careful when making a decision as you will have to originate a huge multiple of your loss in new money just to be able to cover it

4. You develop a solid foundation in cash flow analysis & learn about collateral (depending if it is ABL group or middle market lending vs. large corporate)

5. Corp banking is very relationship focused

6. Ability to move from client management/credit/risk so you can have a very varied career depending on how you position yourself and what your interests are

7. Can be a generalist or cover industry vertical depending on what group you are in

Jan 19, 2014 - 9:51am

Great thread on corporate banking. Because we have may people posting here that are currently in the industry- how much better is the work life balance? Also, what does the pay look like at the senior level?

Jan 19, 2014 - 9:49pm

Given that I am not inIBD我不能直接评论像平衡之类的工作之间的区别,但是在我的小组中,大多数人每天晚上六个或三天都可以在门外出门,或者您可以在整个晚上到九或十个一周,仍然必须在周末进来。这取决于小组和交易流。更宽松的工作生活平衡的好处是,很容易脱颖而出,而只是工作一些同事。通过我小组流通的90%交易的普遍情绪是“它可以等到明天”。

n1cktm and explosions09 are correct that there is a relationship focus, which is centered around the lender or relationship manager who has a portfolio to monitor and manage. Some lenders have portfolios that are too large from them to handle which is where Relationship Associates or Junior Lenders come in. At some banks they are glorified assistants.

As far as compensation goes, there is a lot of long term potential to make >$100K base + bonus in a back office position. (Bare in mind I'm in Texas not NYC) It just takes some time to work up to that level. If you want to do a back office role or be a career analyst you will hit that limit and not be able to make much more, but there are a lot of back office positions that require analysis and a take macro-approach to bank management that most people don't know exist, which has the potential to bring home a very good paycheck. It is my understanding that a lot of lender compensation is around their bonus, which is similar to commission, but they also have a solid base. Lenders in my opinion are similar to door-to-door sales reps. Their life centers around customer calls and going out and pounding the pavement. Some banks will hire lenders with very little technical or accounting knowledge.

Jan 20, 2014 - 12:11pm

In a corporate banking group you really get to know the companies in your portfolio. It's transaction based, but you are constantly revisiting these companies as they grow (or become distressed at times) and need their credit facility amended, upsized, etc. Each time this happens you have to go through a whole analysis of the company both on a historical basis and a pro forma basis for what has changed.

My advice would be this: In an investment banking role, you pretty much know what you're going to get. However in corporate banking, I think there's a vast difference in the type of experience you can have. Getting into an industry group in which you're working with large private, small and mid-cap, non-investment grade companies is the most beneficial experience in my opinion (opposed to large cap investment grade entities in which the analysis and structuring is pretty straight forward and relatively risk-less).

It's also beneficial to be at a bank where your counter-parties in leveraged finance /DCMare very active and prominent. This provides opportunities to work in conjunction with them on big underwrites when the your bank is a lead arranger. They often will lean on you to get approval to underwrite a high % or maybe even all of the credit part of the debt package in an acquisition.

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Feb 27, 2014 - 2:15pm

Really depends on the shop.

If you're at a firm that has a Corporate Investment Bank, likeJPMthat housesIBand CB under the same umbrella, you will be doing mostly lev fin/syndication/DCM, but you will also get a taste of some more exoticIBactivities (M&A,ECM, and if you're lucky, one of your companies IPOs). Think of it this way, instead of having a product or industry coverage group, you have a geographic coverage area and target companies slightly smaller than traditionalIB(F1000 - F500

On the other hand, there are plenty of banks that have completely separate (or no)IBteams, so you're pretty much stuck doing credit, loans, treasury, and other non-sexy products.

If you don't know which you're applying to, the starting salary is a good proxy. Option A, you'll find yourself at a 10-15% discount all in to your averageIBcounterpart [(A1 CB = $120,000+) vs (A1IB= $140,000+)]. In Option B you'll find your all in comp topping out at around $80k.

Feel free to PM if you have any other q's.

Source: I'm in CB.

Jan 20, 2014 - 12:52pm

Most well known corporate banking products are term loans, revolving lines of credit, syndicated loans w. multiple arrangers. You also have ABL facilities, bridge loans, etc.

公司之间也有区别。银行BBvs. corp. banking at aMM/regional bank.
1. Client Size - Corp banking at aBBdeals with companies with revenues of 1bn+ whereas corp. banking at aMM, clients will start at 200MM+. Basically, the middle market/commercial banking division of aBBwill handle the type of clientsMMcorporate banking will have.
2. Pay - Corp banking that is housed withIBD(i.e. Corporate & Investment Banking) will typically have same base asIBD。Bonus will be 20-30%. Corp banking separate fromIBDmay have smaller base salary but shouldn't be below 65k.

Although theMM公司银行迎合适合商业银行业务范围的客户BB, corp banking at aMMwill still be more lucrative than commercial banking at aBB

CB的好处是它具有明确的职业道路,您可以使它过去的同事而无需回去MBAto be able to wine and dine clients. In Cb there are two main career paths - relationship management (sales) and credit.

Feb 27, 2014 - 2:17pm

"Why Corporate Banking?"(Originally Posted: 10/25/2015)

Hey guys. Have an interview coming up for corporate banking with a super regional.

I know a very important question for investment banking is "why investment banking?" It's a simple, yet vital question and there's quite a bit of info out there on how to answer it. What's the best way to answer this question in regards to corporate banking, though?

Feb 27, 2014 - 2:22pm

there were a few posts on this around the forum. a few things re-iterated are:

1) scope for a longer term career (less turnover/ no "2 and O" culture)
2) developing an ability to understand businesses fundamentally to foster long-term relationships (not so much transaction focused as IB)
3) the ability to have "skin in the game" (typically you'll be underwriting loans/credit so you'll need to be responsible and accountable as it's the bank's money you're committing - maybe speaking to having more responsibility at a young age, etc)

good luck!

Feb 27, 2014 - 2:25pm

Got a corporate banking offer, I would NOT try to sell CB asIB付费略有薪水,但时间更好。不要这样做,因为它看起来像是您只想要ibanking Lite在截然不同的时候。

Some ways to go about it:
1.承保/投资组合管理方面:基于交易的同时相对于独特IBin that your firm is assuming the risk. You are interested in lending and actually taking a position rather than just advising companies or syndicating shares with no skin in the game
2. Credit Mindset: Like to focus more on reducing risk and preventing downside rather than valuing companies based on a wide variety of variables and being upside focused (asIBinvolves valuation work). You are interested in the wide variety of different loan financing products that are used ranging from revolvers, term loans, etc. and how businesses use them. In many corporate/commercial banks, there is a credit training program that analysts go through so you can emphasize the training too.

There are many different ways to go about this

Feb 27, 2014 - 2:26pm

您是贷方,这意味着您正在做出投资决定。通过添加ONS,修正,再融资等,您还会与这笔交易一起生活一段时间。公司银行业务也可以非常灵活。您可以是纯粹的信用,RM,横向到银行业或DCM, credit fund, etc.

Really not hard to sell if you understand the difference.

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Jan 20, 2014 - 10:03pm

I have worked in both so i will opine.

In my opinion, what i did inIBwas much more interesting. You truly modeled a company's financials out and understood a lot more. In CB, they usually break out into two tracks: credit analysis and relationship management. The credit analysts all want to move into an RM role and are often interchangeable with little career growth. Credit analysis is not like at aFI基金。通常,您使用一些专有银行系统并更新样板备忘录。实际上,我认为我只遇到了一位能够进行3条声明的信用分析师链接财务预测,那是他做了CFA。RM一边你赚很多pitchbooks在哪儿e you incorporate work from other product groups. You feel as if there is little in terms of true finance. There was a Director I hated who made seven figures one year and he came over to me after I finished theCFAto tell me you don't need to know finance to be a "banker". If you are an associate you will attend client pitches and see just how sales focused it is. You need to work hand in hand with the loan groups mainly (syndications, lev fin, loan capital markets, etc.) as well as other product groups likeDCMorECMor whomever to present their ideas but they are the ones who do the analysis and often feed you slides for your pitchbook. Over time you start to understand the game....you know when revolvers and term loans or big bonds are due and start pitching 1.5 years in advance to get a piece of the book or to lead it. Bigger banks use their balance sheets to get investment banking and ancillary product business (i.e. Bonds). The revolvers and term loans are either bilateral and on the bank's books or syndicated out. When you are a senior associate RM you start to have more client interaction and by the time you are a VP you will be getting smaller names for your "portfolio" to call on and pitch to. And my experience stops at the VP level.

Your schedule is much much better than inIBand you have more of a voice with quicker progression, but it isnt about finance in my opinion as much as it is about sales. It also attracts people who care about having families that they actually get to see and there were more women in CB thanIB。If you are in a good group, you will travel frequently though.

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